I was just perusing through some TES files and noticed that the Daedric mace called Scourge was forged in the "Fires of Fickledire", which I can't find any other reference to. Is it in Oblivion (the actual realm) somewhere? Keep in mind that I haven't played TES: IV, so if it was there, I wouldn't know.

Thank you.

Not sure but perhaps it's a place in mehrunes dagon's deadlands.

No, it'd have to be in Malacath's realm, as it is Malacath's creation. Plus, the other princes do not like Malacath that much.

Isn't Malacath technically not a Daedra? Not that it really matters, if he has his own sphere of Oblivion, that makes him pretty godly nonetheless.

Well, he became a daedra later than instead when the other princes created the League of Shor is Stupid for Making Mundus. Plus, he's a giant piece of Boethiah poop.

My bad. Hard to imagine fire in an oxygenless realm of ash, like Malacath's. But then again, where did all the ash come from haha.

It's TES. You can make an iceball come out of your butt for crying out loud!

It's my belief that "Daedric" and "Aedric" can be interchanged, by changing one's nature. Trinimac was originally an Aedra, but of a lower subgradient than the Daedra Princes or the original Nine Divines. Hence how when he became Daedric, attributed to what Boethiah did to him, he was still weaker than the other Daedric Princes, because he was never on their power level to begin with. And why his plane is less impressive than those of beings of higher subgradients. Umaril was another example; because of his half-divine nature, he was able to alter that divine side to be Daedric.


As I recall, clouds of dust are where stars often form. It's all about lots and lots of pressure.

Makes sense to me, given what I know of the Aedra and Daedra.

If a part was cut off to make Mundus, it's an aedra. If they said "[censored] this, we're not cutting ourselves" and left to Oblivion, it's daedra. If they said "[censored] this, we're leaving" and went to the Aeritherus, it's the Mang-ge (or however you spell it).

Also, Trinimac was powerful enough to cut out Shor's heart, so don't think him as that much of a lesser. Plus, he is a realm of Oblivion, not some random nobody daedroth.

I retract my previous statement. And now I'm also more confused. But that's okay, I've got Rob Dougan to listen to...

Aedra: They cut pieces of themselves to create Mundus. Mer (particularly altmer) are pissed because they think this was a ploy done by Shor/Shezarr/Lorkhan to weaken everyone, while men think of it as divine mercy for mortals to ascend to a higher state of being than the gods

Daedra: Saw the act of cutting pieces of themselves to make Mundus as being really [censored] stupid. So, the princes laughed, and created a realms of their own using themselves, so they have all the power and none of the drawback (except extreme boredom). They also live in Oblivion

Magna-Ge: Ran away to the Aetherius just before Mundus was complete. The stars you see are holes, with the sun being the largest hole, and made by Magnus when he fled. They have a golden rule of thumb to NEVER EVER interact with outsiders. This is why Merida was tossed out of the Aetherius, as she was originally a Magna-Ge and even the daughter of Magnus.

It might be easier to think of Aedra, Deadra and what ever else as et'Ada and consider their subdivisions to be akin to factions based on their outlook and actions.

While this might help, it doesn't explain.

Aedra and Daedra are elvish terms and they become murky when used by anybody who's life does not revolve around their ancestry, bloodlines and the social standing inferred by these. After being humiliated and disgraced in the way he was by Boethia, who'd think of Trinimac, now Malacath as anything but something you do not wish to associate with. Like wise any who'd claim kinship would be treated like [censored] (sic). That Trinimac can become Malacath, that an et'Ada, that is a core concept by which the Aurbis examines itself can be fundamentally altered by an almost completely symbolic act is a testament to the magical nature of the world. It wasn't just an Aedra that became a Daedra, the Aurbis itself was changed.

Granted, after the creation of Mundus, this would merely be an aftershock.