Racial life span

Post » Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:38 am

I was reading about the First Era, and I noticed something about Randic Torn, and... I'm not sure if he was a Redguard or not, but he ruled over Redguard for 120 years before he died, and assuming he wasn't handed the throne at birth, he might have lived for about 140-160 years?

So maybe Redguards live for about that long?
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Post » Sat Nov 20, 2010 9:05 pm

I was reading about the First Era, and I noticed something about Randic Torn, and... I'm not sure if he was a Redguard or not, but he ruled over Redguard for 120 years before he died, and assuming he wasn't handed the throne at birth, he might have lived for about 140-160 years?

So maybe Redguards live for about that long?


Theres been more than one ocasion in Earth's history when a child has been crowned before being born.
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Post » Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:34 am

Theres been more than one ocasion in Earth's history when a child has been crowned before being born.

Randic Torn was a commoner before his rule, so he was alive before it happened.

Destri Melag died at the age of 113, and he was a Redguard scholar.
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Post » Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:55 am

Meanwhile, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:The_Real_Barenziah#Part_2 assigns 'thousand-year' lifespans to all Elves, including Dunmer. I realise that all these sources contradict each other, but just because you choose to favour the 'Interview with a Dunmer' doesn't mean everyone else has to.
"True, few ever actually lived that long as disease and violence took their respective tolls. But they could. And one or two of them actually did".
Divayth Fyr and Therana, probably.

Destri Melag died at the age of 113, and he was a Redguard scholar.
King Harald, Nordling, died at 108.
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Post » Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:59 am

I choose the one that's more recent and possibly less fanciful. As you're probably well aware of by now, there's been a succession of retcons going on with Tamriel lore since Daggerfall. Many of the ideas being tossed around at the time were half baked and might not represent the devs' current vision of that world. It seems to me that they've toned the Elves down and made them a lot less "Tolkien" in recent installments - more mortal. I see this as a positive thing. The lore is coming into its own and isn't relying on old tropes anymore like "thousand year old elves". That stuff's been played to death in a variety of fiction. Going by MK's rules I would consider it boring and therefore wrong.

Tribunal is actually more recent than the interview, which I'm not inclined to trust anyway for various reasons which I won't go into here. I won't argue about which is more interesting because that's purely a matter of opinion; personally I find it far less interesting for Dunmer to live only a little longer than humans. Imagine if you could meet and talk to someone who was around in Shakespeare's time; that's what it would be like for a human to meet a centuries-old Elf.

On the other hand, I do agree that 1000 years is too long - if Elves live that long in general, it makes no sense for Barenziah to be an old woman at the time of Tribunal. Based on her appearance in that game, I'd put the maximum age for Dunmer at around 450-500. You're free to disagree, of course, but you can't argue that it's completely unfounded.


"True, few ever actually lived that long as disease and violence took their respective tolls. But they could. And one or two of them actually did".
Divayth Fyr and Therana, probably.

Divayth Fyr is over 4000, according to his daughter. It's stated in MW that some of the Telvanni mages increase their lifespans with magic, whereas TRB implies that all Elves can live that long as long as they don't succumb to disease or injury.
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Post » Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:31 pm

It should also be noted that Divayth Fyr was an accomplished Psijjic. These guys are much more hardcoe than the Telvanni, so it really does make perfect sense he can be that very old, since he was part of the most powerful magical group this side of Tamriel before he left.

As Helena pointed out, 450-500 is probably going to be the oldest a dunmer can get without magic. Comes from the great care and pampering of being royalty. Pure blooded altmer I'd assume to live at least 100 years longer, because the altmer do specifically breed to be perfect and long-lived. And this isn't just to be vain, but for views that all altmer share, in that they want to become gods once again instead of weak mortals. They are extremely heavy eugenicists, with 1 in 10 babies being accepted, the other 9 being killed because they were not perfect.
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Post » Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:01 am

It should also be noted that Divayth Fyr was an accomplished Psijjic. These guys are much more hardcoe than the Telvanni, so it really does make perfect sense he can be that very old, since he was part of the most powerful magical group this side of Tamriel before he left.

As Helena pointed out, 450-500 is probably going to be the oldest a dunmer can get without magic. Comes from the great care and pampering of being royalty. Pure blooded altmer I'd assume to live at least 100 years longer, because the altmer do specifically breed to be perfect and long-lived. And this isn't just to be vain, but for views that all altmer share, in that they want to become gods once again instead of weak mortals. They are extremely heavy eugenicists, with 1 in 10 babies being accepted, the other 9 being killed because they were not perfect.


The account of Euthanisia was written by an Imperial and heavily objected by an Altmer. After that book no such records are ever mentioned again. I dont think Altmer ever did or do practice euthanasia.
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Post » Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:15 am

The account of Euthanisia was written by an Imperial and heavily objected by an Altmer. After that book no such records are ever mentioned again. I dont think Alter ever did or do practice euthanasia.

I'd have to agree, given the low birth rate of elves, it's more likely they'd go extinct if they killed most of their infants.
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Post » Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:04 am

Races and oldest recorded ages (WIP)
Altmer
Argonian
Bosmer
Breton
Dunmer : Divayth Fyr : 4000 : http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Divayth_Fyr
Imperial : Uriel Septim : 87+ : Oblivion Intro Movie.
Khajiit
Nord
Orc
Redguard


Send me a PM with some kind of age citation, and I will gradually try to complete this chart so we have a ballpark.
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Post » Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:55 am

The account of Euthanisia was written by an Imperial and heavily objected by an Altmer. After that book no such records are ever mentioned again. I dont think Altmer ever did or do practice euthanasia.


Meh, I wouldn't be surprised if they did at one point. Those crazy Altmer.
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Post » Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:59 am

For Argonian's , we might want to think of the posibility of 4 sub-species.along with them, I will guess a possible life span.

*Native Argonian's- The mysterious tribal hist worshipping argonian.(est:1000 E yrs)

*Imperial/Civilized Argonians-The smart everyday Argonian we see.(est:80 E yrs)

*Black Marsh/civilized Argonians-Possibly the argonians who made civilized cities like StormHold, Lilmoth, Blackrose etc.(est:200 E yrs)

*Lost Argonians- This has to do with the eye of Argonia and the hidden city, perhaps we'll never know about this but they might be a race of Argonians who live in the ocean like the froggy-bunny guy in star wars called Jar Jar :frog: (THEY LIVE FOREVER)

Should of said the (est:### E yrs) thing is the estimated life span. and the "E" stand for Earth years, because im not sure of Bethesda used their huge imagination when it came to Nirns
orbital cycle, you know how many hours in a day ( well I know thats 24) months, and days in a year. Go ahead someone tell me its 365.( Perhaps this truly Earth and in a few years FO and TES will collide when the people in Fallout make a time machine and go back in time. XD

I can See it FO Vs. TES Universe!!!: a completly original title
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Post » Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:23 am

I believe we can more or less assume men to follow the same patterns of physical aging as ourselves, although I would like to think that the average citizen of Tamriel is in better shape than your 21st century RPG fanatic. Even for the lowly peasant, there seems to be plenty both in the way of racially inherent magic and alchemy to give them a bit more of an edge than we have. However, what I'm really iinterested in is the rate at which Mer visibly age - for the purposes of this post, primarily the Dunmer.

I've found Barenziah to be particularly interesting between her Daggerfall and Tribunal appearances, which are only a few decades apart. Notwithstanding the possibility that Daggerfall's appearances for the Wayrest elves have been totally retconned (I believe the excuse was that they used cosmetics to appear more human), she certainly looked a lot younger before returning to Mournhold. To me, the female Dunmer in Morrowind (even with their vanilla faces, possibly the most aesthetically pleasing NPCs in the game) all either appeared haggard or fairly young. For advlts, I think that most of the elves don't start to appear particularly "old" until a few hundred years, and then it seems to rapidly catch up to them.

I think this is further (again, this is assuming that Daggerfall's portraits aren't completely retconned, at least for their basic facial structure) supported by Helseth and Morgiah, whom again look fairly young. That's just some wild guessing for you, though.
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