Read that sermon, he says why he left it there.

He sort-of sounds like a Daedra making a deal or holding their power above somebody. All of those people didn't deserve to die.

Wow, Vivec is a major [censored].

Poor Morrowind. It was so young, and full of life.

Granted, that life was mostly dirt and lava, but you know, whatever.

You can't really blame him. At the end of the day, he is just a mortal with powers. He has mortal needs and desires (mentally). Power is something most mortals want. Vivec just followed his instinct. I must say though, Vivec is far more awesome than most of the Aedra/Daedra. He actually helps the people and does what's best for the Dunmer.

What about the northwest/eastern parts of morrowind? Like the Telvanni-controlled lands and the area bordering Skyrim?

Redoran was under siege from the nords pre-crisis, and with the loss of their top leaders/generals at Ald'Ruhun in Vvardenfell during the Crisis, would have made things really, really, really bad for the territory bordering Skyrim, and Redoran in general which was going through some really bad times. I wouldn't be surprised if Skyrim gained a lot of land. After the Red Year, the argonians may have reached to Redoran's former lands, as they did make it to Vivec City...or at least what's left of it.

As for the Telvanni, nothing yet. A good portion thinks they're too uber and awesome to die, while the other portion takes their supreme power with a grain of salt.

I don't have the impression he ever cared for anyone but himself. If he seriously considers people worshipping him when a rock is hovering above their head ready to drop on them if they ever fail him people "loving" him, his social incompetence knows no limits.

I think Vivec and the other two Tribunes did care about their people, but the Ministry falling on Vivec City is probably like the law of gravity: a morally-neutral fact of nature. In other words, it didn't fall as something that Vivec willed, but as something that was inevitable given Vivec's loss of power.

Or maybe the fact that the Dunmer savants were using mortal souls to power their device sealed their fate. It could be seen as wrong to use up mortals in the attempt to keep the moon aloft. Maybe the moon was destined to fall, and the Dunmer condemned themselves in the vain attempt to prevent it by using unwilling souls. (I agree though that the price was too high: all those innocent civilians who died.)

Sorry, but he had the power to avert it for long enough. He could have prevented disaster, he didn't do it. And he didn't do it for selfish reasons. Cf. quote by Martut

The MoT was headed for Vivec due to Sheogorath. How do you know Sheogorath wasn't putting up a constant fight, just like Vivec? While he has power to match that of the Daedra, he couldn't overpower them.

This is basically Lorkhan fighting Sheogorath. There will never be a victor with conventional methods, because they're equally matched.

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But if the Dunmer could dig into the moon and make it into the Ministry of Truth would it be so hard to let a mortal wizard destroy it piece for piece? While Vivec keeps it there.

Or for Vivec to let it come down SLOWLY.

No matter what speed it falls, it always has the same velocity. I read that somewhere. This confusing stuff happens when magic is involved.

I'm not sure how everything works when pieces are shipped out, though. It may not actually be the mass of the moon, but the speed at which it was thrown. Again. Magic. :rolleyes:

Open up an oblivion gate right below the ministry. Then it can bother Dagon.

Or get a tow rope and have a couple Guar haul it over to the enemy of the week.

I like those ideas.

But, again. Do we know what happens if the moon is moved? It's been magically held in place. How do we know if the actual velocity moves with the moon? I just don't believe it wouldn't have been moved if it could have. Someone would have questioned Vivec. It would have been too many to be blasphomy, too. (Like the dissident Priests)

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You really question someone who holds a gun to your head? No? Didn't think so.

"Hey, Vivec, say, why can't you move that rock somewhere else, I feel uncomfortable with it hovering over my head?"
"Of course I can. How about I let it drop right where you stand? No? Well, case settled then, I guess, no?"

It's different when there's thousands of people involved. People would simply move away, and definatly lose faith in Vivec if he where to leave the MoT there, if he could, and the people knew about it.

Even if he somehow forces the people to stay, he can't force them to have faith. He needs faith to power the likes of the Ghostfence and to keep the MoT up. (I believe)

Why couldn't Vivec rassle up some help? He has other friends, they could probably do something about it.

Oh, wait, they are both dead....

Well, he could have rassled up their help before it fell, but I guess that he was too busy being a [censored], huh?

Every religion has a god (or gods) doing something thats considered bad or nasty to cleanse the world, make mankind stronger, etc. Vivec is following this archetype. He is not being a dike for the sake of it, he is letting the moon fall because must. It was held up by the power of Vivec-the-triune, who is now dead in the eyes of the Dunmer (in other words, the Dunmer no longer believe in the tribunal and therefore the tribunal - that is Vivec-the-triune - no longer exists as a god), and who therefore has no power. If his power as part of the tribunal is gone, the moon cannot stay up. Belief shaping reality (that is mythopoeia) is a very important force in the world of Tamriel.

You assume a very modern notion of fate that doesn't really fit into a fantasy society. Historically, even if a landscape was ravaged by war and plague, people rather tried to figure out what they had done wrong that God would punish them with such scourges than question HIS integrity. In ancient Greece, people tolerated behaviour from the Gods that they would have questioned in their next door neighbour. Hey, they are Gods, they are entitled to do things considered highly questionable when done by mortals. Strike down people on the spot? Check. Abduct someone else's wife? Check. Spin webs of intrigue to start a war? Check. They are Gods. They have their reasons to do the things they do that no Mortal can ever hope to comprehend, and even if not, as Gods, they're entitled to live on a whim. Likewise, the inhabitants of Morrowind would very much accept that Vivec does what he does. If they keep their faith, after all, there is no danger. And no, people wouldn't move away. They'd be under immense social pressure not to, because doing so would be seen as reckless endangerment of the lives of those who stay.

I think an understandable complacency is at work here too, though. The moon had been an accepted part of the landscape for so long that no one seriously thought it would ever hit the ground. Among the ordinary people, anyway. By building the Ingenium and powering it with souls, the Dunmer mages may have brought about that which they were most trying to prevent, since the moon fell when the Ingenium exploded.