The Endeavor is a method of achieving the Tower? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:07 pm

"The Endeavor is a method of achieving the Tower and then what to do after."
So just a quick question here guys. Was Vivec talking about Apotheosis?

Here is more of the quote so you can get a firm grasp of the context

"However, it is interesting to note that the endeavors of the Psijic Order do not seem to be related to the so-called Psijic Endeavor that is prominent in the providence of Morrowind. When Vivec was asked about the relationship between the Psijic Order and the Psijic Endeavor, he replied:

Nothing but a namesake, I am sorry to say. Now we can end that mystery. The Endeavor is a method of achieving the Tower and then what to do after. The Order is not, and does not really care for the idea of the Endeavor at all, thinking it wrong-headed nearly from the start.

Master Divayth Fyr further corroborates this idea by saying, "...the Dwemer appear to have been most successful in the Endeavor than any mortal. Their Endeavor is not the shared Endeavor of the Old Way.""

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:45 pm

More or less, yes. Hes talking more about godhood through cosmic awareness rather than godhood through being really powerful.

» Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:20 am

So what was the Psijic Order talking about?

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:55 pm

In Mundus, conflict and disparity are what bring change, and change is the most sacred of the Eleven Forces. Change is the force without focus or origin. It is the duty of the disciplined Psijic ["Enlightened One"] to dilute change where it brings greed, gluttony, sloth, ignorance, prejudice, cruelty . . . and to encourage change where it brings excellence, beauty, happiness, and enlightenment. As such, the faithful counsel has but one master: His mind. If the man the Psijic counsels acts wickedly and brings oegnithr ["bad change"] and will otherwise not be counselled, it is the Psijic's duty to counterbalance the oegnithr by any means necessary [emphasis mine].

They perpetuate the elder belief in Lorkhan and Auriel, as separate concepts.

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:39 pm

More or less, yes. Hes talking more about godhood through cosmic awareness rather than godhood through being really powerful.

Also this cosmic awareness thing. Is that where you realize the true nature of the universe and either fade from existence, or undergo Apotheosis?

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:31 am

Also this cosmic awareness thing. Is that where you realize the true nature of the universe and either fade from existence, or undergo Apotheosis?

Pretty much. You realize you are everything, and so you don't really exist, and so literally dissolve (zero-sum) or you realize you are everything but are selfish enough to hold onto your individuality (CHIM).

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:34 pm

Pretty much. You realize you are everything, and so you don't really exist, and so literally dissolve (zero-sum) or you realize you are everything but are selfish enough to hold onto your individuality (CHIM).

fascinating. Thanks for the feedback boyz and girls