Who is the highest Daedra Lord according to Mankar?

Post » Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:02 pm

Mankar says in his speech that the Daedra are the true Gods of the world, yet he and the Mythic Dawn seem to worship Mehrunes Dagon and Lorkhan only. Is it because they are considered "higher" than the other Daedra Lords? (I know Lorkhan technically isn't really Daedra, but according to Mankar he is.)
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Post » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:39 pm

All Daedra are equal. Mankar worships Dagon because his sphere (revolution, destruction) suits him best.
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Post » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:11 pm

All Daedra are equal. Mankar worships Dagon because his sphere (revolution, destruction) suits him best.


What's with Lorkhan then? Isn't he sort of the opposite of that?
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Post » Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:09 am

What's with Lorkhan then? Isn't he sort of the opposite of that?

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-monomyth

And for advanced reading, the relationship between Mehrunes Dagon and Shor/Shezarr/Lorkhan, http://www.imperial-library.info/content/seven-fights-aldudagga

For a quick which god is who and is worshiped by what reference, http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-varieties-faith-empire
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Post » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:06 pm

And for advanced reading, the relationship between Mehrunes Dagon and Shor/Shezarr/Lorkhan, http://www.imperial-library.info/content/seven-fights-aldudagga


Ow, my brain hurts after reading that.

What I've got about Lorkhan so far is that he is holy to the human races, except redguards, because he created the world and made it possible for mortals to ascend, while the Altmer see him as a trickster and hate him for severing their connection to the spirit plane or something like that? Mankar is Altmer, so shouldn't he hate Lorkhan? Yet he worships him and Dagon both, which i kind of confusing in itself. And I still don't really get the connection between Dagon and Lorkhan.

If someone could explain the The Seven Fights of The Aldudagga to me in a simpler way without my brain exploding that would be very appreciated. If it's even possible? lol :P
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Post » Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:38 pm

Well, Mankar ultimately wants to go back to the Dawn Era (a merrish idea). To do that, Mundus must be destroyed. In addition, because MD was the kind Leaper Demon King during the Dawn and also wants to go back to that time, he must destroy Mundus (7 fights, first chapter). The two groups had the same goal they wanted to achieve, Mankar going back to the Dawn and Mehrunes Dagon to become the kind Leaper Demon King again. Mankar was just establishing that Mundus is Shor's realm, not the Aedra's (even those both are pieces of Mundus), and that it is Mehrunes Dagon's birthright to destroy it.
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Post » Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:28 am

Well, Mankar ultimately wants to go back to the Dawn Era (a merrish idea). To do that, Mundus must be destroyed. In addition, because MD was the kind Leaper Demon King during the Dawn and also wants to go back to that time, he must destroy Mundus (7 fights, first chapter). The two groups had the same goal they wanted to achieve, Mankar going back to the Dawn and Mehrunes Dagon to become the kind Leaper Demon King again. Mankar was just establishing that Mundus is Shor's realm, not the Aedra's (even those both are pieces of Mundus), and that it is Mehrunes Dagon's birthright to destroy it.


I see. I just find it weird that Mankar wants to destroy the realm of Lorkhan who he revers so much. It would be different if he said it belonged to the Aedra. Hmm.
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Post » Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:20 pm

I don't think Mankar worships Lorkhan as much as he recognizes his power and his relationship to the mortal realm. I don't see any reverence.
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Post » Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:12 am

I don't think Mankar worships Lorkhan as much as he recognizes his power and his relationship to the mortal realm. I don't see any reverence.


Hm, ok. but first he says that the Daedra are the gods of the world so i guess there is some worship there to the others as well, as he worships Dagon, and then he says that Lorkhan is Daedra. Also why does Mankar want to return to the Mythic Age, and how does it differ from the age that is now?
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Post » Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:06 pm

Mankar says in his speech that the Daedra are the true Gods of the world, yet he and the Mythic Dawn seem to worship Mehrunes Dagon and Lorkhan only. Is it because they are considered "higher" than the other Daedra Lords? (I know Lorkhan technically isn't really Daedra, but according to Mankar he is.)

A lot of what Mankar Camoran says is very astute and represents an expansive knowledge of Oblivion and its Princes. What strikes me as most interesting about Camoran's writings as well as his spoken words is his incorporation of existentialism into metaphysical theory.

For example, he says that although Lorkhan was "killed" and his existence was attempted to be stripped from the Aurbis, he still remains through his Heart and in every Mundane culture. Not only that but he appears in a similar fashion throughout every culture as either a thief, a trickster, or a being of creation.

As for his views on Nirn and its existence as a Daedric realm, I think it's hogwash. Lorkhan was not Daedric, he was something entirely different, and Camoran's views on Lorkhan as a Daedric Prince appear in my opinion only as a bit of self-fed propaganda.

Concerning his views on the Daedric Princes, I don't believe he sets any above the others, regardless of his relationship with Dagon. A true scholar of Daedra knows that none can truly supersede another.
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