Hey everyone. I just had a couple questions regarding Sword-singers and ansei. If you don't know about them, there is some good stuff http://www.imperial-library.info/search/node/sword%20singers. I am trying to figure out more about them, so I came to the Lore section, hoping that you can make more sense of it then I can.

So, here are some questions. Most of them are just confirmation questions.
Swordsingers are able to make swords, correct, but they are not weapons, right?
Ansei are just swordsingers that have mastered every aspect, correct?
They train under the Redguard God of War, who would that be? Is it even known?

Thanks for the help, I just have those questions right now.

Sword singers basically make a sword out of magica. They don't summon it, like a bound weapon, but rather pull it from their soul.
Ansei is ja group of people who are capable of this.
The Redguards have several gods of war, and they are described as "unkown." I'd assume that Hunding is one of them.

What I would love to know is this: When is says "They built the first temple to the unknown gods of War.." does it mean that the names were lost or that the Yokudans just didn't know who they were atall?

It means whoever wrote that piece thought the Yokudans should be extra l33t and have unknown gods of War. Its outdated stuff from Daggerfall.

Ttheres no mention of any "gods of war" outside of those documents (which are different drafts of one document, really), but if you want to give them identities I'd say the HoonDing, Diagna, and Leki fit.

its all build up for the third ES; adventure game: Cyrus returns to Yokuda.

I wish.

At the risk of being a nitpicky bastard, Hunding is a surname which belonged to an old Yokudan named Frandar, who was said to be the greatest of the sword singers, and his son Divad, the man who became the architect of the Yokudan exodus to Tamriel. HoonDing is a Redguard spirit/god/messiah which materializes in dual corporeal forms, the crown and the sword, during times when the descendants of the Yokudan people are in great need. Examples of the physical manifestation of the HoonDing are (as I recall) Frandar Hunding (sword)/Divad Hunding (crown), Someone (crown?)/Diagna (sword)?, and A'tor (crown)/Cyrus (sword).

As for actual gods of war, who knows. Redguard religion is insanely complicated in its simplicity and rather undeveloped, at least in comparison with the Eight and One, and the Daedra.

Also, I was always under the impression that sword singer was just a literal translation of Ansei.

IIRC, the third TES Adventure game had Cyrus going after the Eye of Argonia.

Nah, that was the second one. Cyrus in Yokuda got http://www.imperial-library.info/content/lord-vivecs-sword-meeting-cyrus-restless.

First TES adventure game was Battlespire. Second one was Redguard. Third was going to be Eye of Argonia.

Also love the sword-meeting. I still have a hole in my heart from when I realized MK was never going to get around to writing another Cyrus tale as he kind of sort of promised.

Battlespire was Elder Scrolls Legends, not Adventure. Though I guess it was similar enough in gameplay.

btw, your name seems ridiculously familiar. Where do I know you from?

Never say never

Ah, my bad.

I've used this nick for a lot of different forums and text-based games over the years. Could be that you know me from one of them, or it could be that you remember me when I was pretty active around these parts like three years ago? Around that time I produced an essay for TIL on Tiber Septim.

Actually, turns out http://www.imperial-library.info/content/rise-tiber-septim is still there! ^_^

So how did Cyrus get to the moon? Was it astral projection, a really fast sky-boat, or moon sugar?

when did cyrus go to the moon? After redguard, he sailed for Argonia, and two eras later still hasn't made it.

Before the Sword-Meeting.

There's Redguard, then the Sword-Meeting, then - and not immediately - there's Eye of Argonia.

EoA precedes the Sword-Meeting, as Vivec references the wrath of the Hist.

Remember, "no tale of Cyrus the Restless is true in its entirety."

are you referring to this?

yes.

That's prophesy. Vivec may be talking over the head of Cyrus for poets' pleasure. I know what you did next century. He's been to Argonia at least twice in his life.

The saying negates itself.

Anyhoo, he's been to the moon, in the telling of the story, so I suppose the storyteller got him to the moon. Sense we are making?

How is it prophesy? Vivec's reference to C's death is speaking of the future ("how you will die") but his reference to the Eye is entirely in the past ("the things you did to discredit the Hist," not "the things you will do"). His preceding statements are completely true and also in the past tense, so I see no reason to assume that Cyrus pisses the Hist off in the future.

I'm also completely confused on where the moon reference came from. MK's potential story idea thread? I'd say nothing in there exists until it does, especially if we're going to consider how its possible.

That was weaseling, on my part.

Cyrus is led through the world, his heart. The moons are not even the extent of his wandering.