I don't think some of them would join the Mythic Dawn, Janus says Mehrunes Dagon sees vampires as mere slaves. But then again, it's all up to the individual. Also, take note that they don't need to try and take over the Empire. They have been around for centuries and could easily do it. But it seems they just want to remain hidden from mankind and live their lives, taking what they want when they can. It's safe to say though, there could be some vampire in the Elder Council. It would be funny if Chancellor Ocato was a vampire. But imagine if the world was ruled by vampires...what problems it could bring to the Order. They wouldn't last long with all the civil war and stuff.

Also, about Janus Hassildor hating other vampires, hes not the only one. The Order of vampires in Cyrodiil won't tolerate any other clans that comes into the borders. That's why he sent someone to wipe them out. Lord Lovidicus did lose most of his sanity due to the fact that he spilled the beans about his vampirism to his lover.

I wonder if Lord Lovidicus took on his "New role as a father" and such, I wonder how he would do it, being a vampire and all. And since his son would be raised in his household, how is outlook on vampires would be. From his regret at being half vampire, we can discern that the world's look on them is rather unfriendly. So, how would you think the relationship between father and son went?

If they start to sparkle, we'd definitely have to break out the pitchforks and hunt them all down. No toothfairy-wuss-vampires in Cyrodiil!

They can walk in sunlight, but they wont sparkle.

Never liked Twilight as much as I liked other vampire movies. It's about a girl who chooses between Bestiality and Necrophelia...

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Haha, thanks.

I don't know if I would go as far as to say they could take over the empire. While their might be a few that are old and powerful their surely aren't enough to take control let alone hold onto the empire. I'd imagine that the normal, non vampire, population would revolt and oust them pretty easily.

Considering the civil war they might have in the process, I agree with you. I guess the laws pretty much sums it up. "Gain influence in politics or whatever else, don't open your mouth and say 'Im a vampire' and of course, kill the other clans".

Too bad politics in the Elder Scrolls(Specifically the Empire) is not defined enough for good information and basics.

The Empire was ruled by vampires at one point. Assuming the Tsaesci actually count as vampires.

why would they be? "immortal vampire snakmen" is false since they are A: not immortal at least not when compared to high elven nobles, B: don't svck blood and C: according to our only experience witht hem, are only men, not 'snake.'

I think vampires are like vermin comparably, if you have one you want to get rid of it as quickly as possible because before you know it you're up to your knees in vampires running around town feeding on everyone and then what there's no one left.

Well, the Imperial City had Seridur and Jakben Earl of Imbel who kept feeding off people. Seridur screwed up with Roland's lover and from Jakben's journal, he's been in the Imperial City for a long time. And they are the only two who masquerades as nobles. In Jakben's family crypt, we can see that he has a safe haven for other vampires. That's why theres no war against vampires in Cyrodiil, because they are too different from the other feral vampires.

Besides the fact that they can walk in daytime and actually pass by as normal living people, they also seem to have control over the blood frenzy, thanks to Clavicus Vile. Which means they can feed on a person without killing them or turning them into a vampires, preventing an increase the vampire population. But I don't see why Mina(Pale Lady) only kills her victims before three days time. I mean from what we can see in Jakben's journal and other things, they can feed on sleeping people and don't need to kill their victims.

"I assure you, I am not responsible for them. I would never be so careless."-Janus Hassildor

On Feeding habits:
"They were cultured, more civilized than the vampires of the provinces, preferring to feed on victims while they were asleep, unaware."-Immortal Blood

"Our bond with Vile makes us unique among our kind, for his guidance steels our savage craving with reason and savvy."

I think theirs now Law against being a vampire, just a simple understanding that a vampire is to be killed because of what they are. Simple. See a deadly snake, kill it. Most people will, Mage guild excluded, but wary none the less.

However, They whole circle thing. I think they are referring to the Cyrodiilic vampires that go by the book, so to speak. That merely being bit by a Cyrodiilic vampire doesn't give that right to be apart of this "circle".
The circle being those Cyrodiilic vampires that have been successful in their quest for power and so forth. This circle is merely a communal nod to the others like themselves.

Now if they do or do not meet and plan in unison is yet to be disclosed as cannon, to my knowledge, but would be a very interesting bit of lore.

My question would be why must they seek power and position of power, and manipulate the populace of Cyrodil. Do they do this to shield themselves against other Vampires clan/species like them to have a solidified stronghold where they may live in relative peace?
Many questions but ill end here.

Indeed. Vampires are considered abominations by the mortal population, so they are to be wiped out. Like werewolves, if someone is detected as a known werewolf like in Morrowind, you are hunted down and killed in human form just for being what you are.

I do agree somewhat with you. Those in the circle can be "Counted amongst their own" because they blended in succesfully, followed the tenets to the letter and have enough influence to the people. Influence meaning to be loved, respected and honored by the population of humans that are being manipulated. Like Roland said that no one would believe Seridur is a vampire because he is respected. And Jakben had unblemished reputation among the people and they knew him well, but not what he was.

As to if they meet or not. I imagine they would do so in a large problem to the vampire community that has to have everyone's attention to it. They said that their strength is not in numbers, but in skillful manipulation. But that does not mean they won't have little club sessions and whatnot. It comes to mind that when a rival vampire clan comes in the border, the Order will rely on the power that they earned. Having political power, they can easily have access to commands on those lower than them in rank(Like the Imperial Legion) and order them to go and kill off the vampires that are a threat. Or manipulate a vampire hunting group to kill off the vampires and then kill them off in the process with some carefully planned deception.

Janus Hassildor comes to mind. Although he used you to do his bidding rather than his guards. As he could not get directly involved with the situation. The reason for their deception and manipulation on the populace of Cyrodiil is probably the way they live and their philosophy? Haha. Think of the Sith in Star Wars....Order 66 and such.


But we know that they won't tolerate any other vampire clan in Cyrodiil. From the Manifesto and the Immortal Blood book, we see that they respond with extreme hostility against other clans to the point of ousting them outside of Cyrodiil. And the fact that they claimed to have made Cyrodiil their Stronghold in the Third Era can mean many things, specifically that they were not in Cyrodiil before but somewhere else. Or maybe that one vampire made the pact with Clavicus Vile and decided to enter Cyrodiil where the "Heart of the Empire" would be, knowing that the Empire controlled alot of stuff. We can speculate that there was a vampire clan in Cyrodiil before the Order came along and said "Alright guys, your savage monsters and we are civilized monsters, get the hell out of our land. We are taking the reigns now"

Resulting in "Ousting" all other competitors.

So i was entertaining an idea of what a bunch of Cyrodiilic vampires who a lot of influence in society could want.

I'll start with this..The greatest trick the Devil ever did was to fool humanity that he doesn't exists...

Maybe, When this circle gets together they plan and try to implement the eradication of all other clans. making Vampirism non existence through out Tamriel. Slowly. Decade by decade wiping out all those other clans. Then when no one has ever seen a vampire in say 100years, then public perception of them will be as whatever the circle deems best to let slip into the public Myths about themselves. Making it seem less and less likely that they could ever be one. ex they have 3 heads and a 20 eyes and they smell like sour dough bread. Not completely what they say but you get the idea.

But the only real problem with this are
1 wiping out all those clans, which could be done given enough time and backing, as well as peace in a nation. (Peace being the catalyst for people to find something to do, aka slay thing like vampires) possible.

2 Groups like the Mage guild, who seem to retain knowledge quite effectively.


All it would take is one generation never knowing about vampires to really erase all the lore about them.

This is indeed another plot that could be used by them. In religious terms, Lucifer uses ignorance of others as a means to his end which is souls for eternal damntion. Now, in Elder Scrolls we know that vampires are often rivals, seperated into little bundles of groups waging battle with one another, with the exception of Cyrodiil, that has no competitor to compete with the rival supernatural force. But I don't know if that's their main priority in their life. But it's very possible. They never said a anything about going into other provinces and wiping them out. But they do mind their own buisness and let the other clans wage their wars against each other in heir lands, weakening each other. And then, maybe, just maybe, the Order strikes against the weakened clans. Repeating the process over and over, manipulating vampire hunters.

For number 2, there are vampires in the Mages Guild. If you played Morrowind, there is a mention of these vampires who blend in.

"Vampires
Imperial culture regards blood vampires as destructive monsters to be hunted and destroyed. However, romantic notions of noble, virtuous vampires persist in Imperial traditions, and vampires are thought to pass unrecognized in the Mages Guild and the Imperial aristocracy."

With the book "Immortal Blood", I don't think that they will make themselves appear extinct anytime soon. However, as the famous quote from an ingame book says "Immortals can afford to be eternally patient"

Its very cool to play as Vampire, but I'am tired hiddind from sun xD

In Morrowind or Oblivion?

In Oblivion if you keep yourself full of blood, then the sun won't do jack.