Is Infernal City Concidered Canon? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:31 pm

Umbra's causing trouble again that is not surprising since that sword is cursed. Yeah its canon which svcks for the Dunmer since their home land got nuked.

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:13 am

They never liked Morrowind. It was willful exile.

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:13 am

They never liked Morrowind. It was willful exile.

But still, the feeling of national pride tends to be hurt when you lack a nation. Consider the blow to the Altmer self-image when a bunch of naked apes walked in and brought a stompyrobot to their fields. Now the Dunmer's gods have seemingly abandoned them (although my theory is that this was all a gambit by Vivec to achieve the best possible solution, but they wouldn't know that) and they are now a pariah folk when the hated Orcs now have a homeland to call their own in Orsinium. So I ask you, if you had been raised from birth to think that your ancestry and racial heritage made you inherently superior to all those others only to be cast out homeless and friendless to the winds, don't you think you'd muse that despite the ashstorms, scabby, infertile soil, diseased monsters, volcano and frozen meteor, it was still home, and was better than nothing?

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:25 pm

I wouldn't go so far as to say pariah. Refugee? Exiled? Homeland occupied by foreign power? All true. Pariah? No. No one's scorned them from larger society, in fact quite the opposite, the Nords have taken them in.

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:03 pm

Well...after centuries of invasions by drunken nords performing their yearly rites of manhood.

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:10 am

I wouldn't go so far as to say pariah. Refugee? Exiled? Homeland occupied by foreign power? All true. Pariah? No. No one's scorned them from larger society, in fact quite the opposite, the Nords have taken them in.

I think too that if life starts to take root again in Vvardenfell over the next few centuries, some of the Dunmer may decide to return and rebuild. I can picture the Dunmer in Solstheim already starting to remember Vvardenfell with nostalgia the way the Jews in diaspora never forgot Jerusalem.

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:42 am

I still want a Hist-grove on Vvardenfell, twisting and turning the netch into floating caretakers and protectors, tapping into the latent energies of the heart-chamber or Dwemer machines. Dwemer Cyborg-Tree!

You can tell I've put a great deal of thought into this.

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:05 am

I still want a Hist-grove on Vvardenfell, twisting and turning the netch into floating caretakers and protectors, tapping into the latent energies of the heart-chamber or Dwemer machines. Dwemer Cyborg-Tree!

You can tell I've put a great deal of thought into this.

That reminds me -- I wonder if the Hist who aided the An'Xileel were a rogue faction, or are they representative of all the Hist. I never thought of the Hist as cold-blooded xenophobic killers (as the An'Xileel seem to be, the equivalent of the Khmer Rouge). In fact, years ago there was a rumor that the devs intended the Hist to be a final life-stage of the Argonians: only the wisest of the Argonians would be chosen to be transformed into Hist form. I don't think this was ever followed up on, of course, but it makes more sense than a hive-mind with intelligent trees pulling the strings.

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:10 am

It was one rogue tree, iirc. The Hist proper had attempted to destroy it, but a root survived and multiplied.

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:23 pm

Also is it possible to get it in hardcover? I only see Paperback and me and paperback just don't mix! lol

I highly doubt it. Hard cover is more expensive and we all know how cheap these publishing companies are. The cheaper materials they can use, the better for them. Remember how when Daggerfall came out it had it's own box and all that and then Oblivion is just a dvd case. Costs money to make a cardboard box.

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:05 am

I highly doubt it. Hard cover is more expensive and we all know how cheap these publishing companies are. The cheaper materials they can use, the better for them. Remember how when Daggerfall came out it had it's own box and all that and then Oblivion is just a dvd case. Costs money to make a cardboard box.

Depends on return of investment over time. If oodles of people buy the book (not sure how likely that is) then a hardcover collection f both in one could happen. Although for now I think we'll have to run with paperback.

And kudos in general to Lady N's maps. They're pretty much exactly what I figured with one notable exception. As a joke I would have put "[censored] that I'm not even looking up here" over the notoriously unstable Iliac Bay.

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:48 pm

With all the casual gamers they picked up with Oblivion I'm not sure how many people will be enticed much by the book anyway.
What's with all the paperback hate? Like ninety percent of my books are paperback and show little to no signs of wear.

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:48 am

With all the casual gamers they picked up with Oblivion I'm not sure how many people will be enticed much by the book anyway.
What's with all the paperback hate? Like ninety percent of my books are paperback and show little to no signs of wear.

Unfortunately, not everyone is as fastidious with paperbacks as we are, or they have younger siblings, etc. I personally don't mind.

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:16 am

Er, Oblivion definitely had a box. The collectors edition was a 4-side foldout box inside a nice box sleeve. It wasn't as nice as the http://images.ebgames.com.au/images/detail/150913_detail.jpg edition's packaging, but it didn't cost as much, either.

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:30 am

Bethesda needs to expand its lore and promote outside imput, much like Magic the Gathering and its books, Elder Scrolls univerese has alot of potential to be the next Lord of The Rings or Magic the gathering.

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:18 am

To be honest I have no strong preference about what race or sub nationality ends up ruling Tamriel. I'm just rooting for the good guys, which in this case are the people who aren't psychotic wizards using a greater Daedric soul fragment to raise an undead army.

I've noticed a trend of people saying they regret that the Empire always wins or that they have to help the Empire in games, or have to root for Imperials in the novels and other lore.

While the Empire isn't a perfect system and the people who comprise it aren't perfect races, consider the alternatives. You could have had a world ruled by Ayleids who delight in burning children alive and making furniture out of human skin. You could have had Dagoth Ur spreading the blight across the entire world, or Mehrunes Dagon stomping around, or the Aldmeri Dominion practicing eugenics on a massive scale, or savage Akaviri invaders doing gods knows what. The Empire may be the lesser of two evils in all these instances but the greater of two evils is usually more noticeably - well - evil.

im against the empire, i joined the dark brotherhood, mythic dawn, and became a vampire in oblivion. my goal is to become a daedra so i can never die, destroy the statue of akotash in the the temple of the one because of martins arrogance, destroy the empire, and forever serve molag bal to be the supreme commander of his armies in oblivion!

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:20 pm

Bethesda needs to expand its lore and promote outside imput, much like Magic the Gathering and its books, Elder Scrolls univerese has alot of potential to be the next Lord of The Rings or Magic the gathering.

Eh, I think the lore already has enough conflicting canon without bringing in authors who aren't on the regular payroll.
I don't think MTG is a good thing to compare it to, the game didn't have much flavour before they started the books. The authors were basically free to weave whatever basket they liked best.
And I don't like the idea of TES games, which is the main course to the novels' sidedish, having to tiptoe around an expanded universe's plots and characters.

Also, are we supposed to be posting in-character? I'm confused. :S

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:45 am

Also, are we supposed to be posting in-character? I'm confused. :S

You're suggesting that you have a TES character that can work the interwebs?

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:12 am

You're suggesting that you have a TES character that can work the interwebs?

Er, no. I was asking a question. Someone else posted in a manner that seemed in-some-kind-of-character.

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:32 am

Unless it's a RP thread, you are not required to be in-character.

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:24 pm

im against the empire, i joined the dark brotherhood, mythic dawn, and became a vampire in oblivion. my goal is to become a daedra so i can never die, destroy the statue of akotash in the the temple of the one because of martins arrogance, destroy the empire, and forever serve molag bal to be the supreme commander of his armies in oblivion!

This isn't Livejournal you know

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:07 am

why is the world in such chaos?

So we can fix it in the next game. No conflict makes for dull gameplay.

» Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:01 am

It is realized how much they PAYED HIM to write these books isn't it? I mean, if it's not canon than it's really just a huge waste of money to even write it. It would work for Fallout possibly, but TES is much more of a straight like then Fallout. If it's not canon why write it other than for pitiful money? I don't the the point in it NOT being canon.