Dragons in general : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:05 am

What are the origins of dragons? Do all of them come from Akavir or are some of them tamrielic?

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:31 am

some are tamrielic.

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:36 pm

So what is the difference between them? Were do the black ones and where do the red ones come from? And where is the one from Redguard from?

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:00 pm

The article seems to indicate that Dragon language is a language of power (it seems that it may be the language of Thu'um, which would line up with Tiber Septim being able to use it). They probably did it to make it more powerful.

The Greybeards are mentioned as being very powerful in Dragon speak, which would probably indicate why whenever they speak, things get blown up.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1065663-dragons/page__p__15482750__hl__dragons__fromsearch__1#entry15482750

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:57 am

So what type of dragons might be the ones in TES V?

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:59 pm

So what type of dragons might be the ones in TES V?

The kind that will sell copies of games off shelves and make Todd Howard a rich man, mainly by ignoring established lore. And I'll be one of the sappy drooling fans who laps it up like a doggy begging for table scraps.

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:40 pm

no idea. However, if they all worship Alduin, I assume they are Jills.

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:08 am

no idea. However, if they all worship Alduin, I assume they are Jills.

Jills are supposed to be all female, and their primary role seems to be to put Akatosh back together again when he breaks. Doesn't seem to fit the description of these dragons at all.

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:28 pm

Jills? And what do you mean by ignoring the established lore?

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:36 pm

Jill is a term for a female dragon of any type*. Akatosh's dragon friends probably won't all be girls, like not all angles are girls (even though most of the time you think of an angle you think of a girl, Gabriel was/is a guy.)

"A 'jill' is an archaic term for a female dragon. The minute-menders would take on a suitably draconic form."

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:08 pm

So what is the difference between them? Were do the black ones and where do the red ones come from? And where is the one from Redguard from?

So what type of dragons might be the ones in TES V?

We know of two main variety; Black Dragons and Red Dragons. The one from Redguard, named Nafaalilargus, was red. http://images.uesp.net//8/8c/RG_dragon.jpg

Its hard to say for sure, but the Dragons featured in the magazine do not appear to be red. They look darkish brown/black, so my guess is they are Black Dragons. Here is some lore on Dragons, maybe it will help: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dragons

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:19 pm

UESP is horrible for Lore and the author of King Edward (which is what all od UESP'S sources in that article are from) has said that none if it is Lore.

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:01 am

UESP is horrible for Lore and the author of King Edward (which is what all od UESP'S sources in that article are from) has said that none if it is Lore.

Actually, I was refer to the part from Mysterious Akavir, but if it makes a difference, you can get the exact same info here: http://www.imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-mysterious-akavir

There are Red and Black Dragons, the one from Redguard was red, and named Nafaalilargus. All valid lore, and anyhow, anyone reading any lore should know that most of it is relative, and that in the end any of it can be retcon'd for whatever reasons Beth likes.

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:45 pm

And I have a feeling that the red might be a symbol of his "destination".

Edit: Dang mobile devices! Last time I use one of those to respond to threads. I meant to say that the red coloring is a symbol of his "domestication" to the Empire.

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:31 am

Actually, I was refer to the part from Mysterious Akavir, but if it makes a difference, you can get the exact same info here: http://www.imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-mysterious-akavir

There are Red and Black Dragons, the one from Redguard was red, and named Nafaalilargus. All valid lore, and anyhow, anyone reading any lore should know that most of it is relative, and that in the end any of it can be retcon'd for whatever reasons Beth likes.

There are red and black dragons in Akavir, but there are also many Dragons from Tamriel as well. They were native to the illiac Bay area at least.

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:17 pm

And what could the dragon language be? We know it's probably used by thu'um users, but which type of dragons would use it?

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:02 am

And what could the dragon language be? We know it's probably used by thu'um users, but which type of dragons would use it?

My guess is it's whichever type of dragon we're fighting now, since as I understand it, Dovahkiin is a word in said language and it's what they use to call "The only one they fear", which seems likely, given what we know so far, to be the player character.

Although we don't know what type of dragon we're dealing with in Skyrim, yet, all we know is that there will be dragons. Maybe they'll be red, maybe they'll be black, or maybe there'll be more than one type, only time will tell.

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:43 pm

So what is the difference between them?

The difference is that there are dragons in Tamriel, while there is a dragon in Akavir (who probably isn't even there).

Although we don't know what type of dragon we're dealing with in Skyrim, yet, all we know is that there will be dragons. Maybe they'll be red, maybe they'll be black, or maybe there'll be more than one type, only time will tell.

I believe the article mentioned them blending in with the rocks, something I can't see Nafaalilargus doing.

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:41 pm

The difference is that there are dragons in Tamriel, while there is a dragon in Akavir (who probably isn't even there).

I believe the article mentioned them blending in with the rocks, something I can't see Nafaalilargus doing.

Right, they appear in the article to be blackish or maybe a very dark brown, but a lot of that was concept art. Definitely not as red as Nafaalilargus.

» Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:54 pm

They're black, if the "black wings" part of the poem is any indication.

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:20 am

Or you know, it could be the whole Shadow over Tamriel imagery that they are doing for that poem.

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:20 am

No.

The threat isn't a vague shadow.

» Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:29 am

Yes, what happens when wings obscure the sun? They cast an image of black wings on the land.

As it happens, I agree with your assessment, I just caution you to not rule out other interpretations.