Canonicity of The Infernal City

Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:35 pm

Has it been confirmed to what extent the lore in The Infernal City is canon? A lot of the stuff in there sounds ridiculous, and quite frankly depressing for Morrowind fans. T_T
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keri seymour
 
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:04 pm

As I understand it, Bethesda's official stance is that yes, the content of the book is considered canon. You may not like some of the new lore in it, and you don't have to, but that doesn't change the fact that it's canon, unless Bethesda decides to revoke its status as such.
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:20 pm

Yes, Pete Hines confirmed the Infernal City (and it's sequel) are considered cannon on his twitter. http://twitter.com/DCDeacon/status/21951830233710592

Also, keep in mind all of the serious world changing events in the Infernal City were most likely in the plot outline and lore notes* they gave Greg Keyes and if it was of Greg's own design Bethesda had to approve every bit of the book.

*Speaking of which the one in particular you are referring to was already foretold in the lore at the time of Morrowind. You as the Nerevarine set those events in motion by destroying the power of the Tribunal.
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:03 pm

Yes, Pete Hines confirmed the Infernal City (and it's sequel) are considered cannon on his twitter. http://twitter.com/DCDeacon/status/21951830233710592

Also, keep in mind all of the serious world changing events in the Infernal City were most likely in the plot outline and lore notes* they gave Greg Keyes and if it was of Greg's own design Bethesda had to approve every bit of the book.

*Speaking of which the one in particular you are referring to was already foretold in the lore at the time of Morrowind. You as the Nerevarine set those events in motion by destroying the power of the Tribunal.


Thanks, that's exactly what I was after. I wasn't sure whether Bethesda oversaw those larger events or Greg came up with them himself.

*Could I trouble you for a source on that?
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:58 pm

Thanks, that's exactly what I was after. I wasn't sure whether Bethesda oversaw those larger events or Greg came up with them himself.

*Could I trouble you for a source on that?

Read the sermons. The Ministry of Truth was held up by love. How long can love be maintained for a god when the gods are gone?
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:06 pm

From sermon 33:
When Nerevar returned, he saw the frozen comet above his lord's city. He asked whether or not Vivec wanted it removed.
'I would have done so myself if I wanted, silly Hortator. I shall keep it there with its last intention intact, so that if the love of the people of this city for me ever disappear, so shall the power that holds back their destruction.'
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:55 am

The sermons are the Temple's account of events and not the truth, are they not? It being held up by love sounds like it was made up by the Temple in order to keep the people faithful.
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:07 pm

Ohh no, the Temple did not write the sermons, that was V-man himself. Hell, half the things V-man wrote in the Sermons would cause the temple to go into a tizzy. Plus, there is a very visible meteor above Vivec, so it's hard to not believe that passage.
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:53 pm

Ohh no, the Temple did not write the sermons, that was V-man himself. Hell, half the things V-man wrote in the Sermons would cause the temple to go into a tizzy. Plus, there is a very visible meteor above Vivec, so it's hard to not believe that passage.


I understand Vivec wrote them, but I thought they were considered to be the Temple's official stance on the events mentioned in the books. Sort of like the Temple's bible, similar to Saryoni's Sermons. Does that mean that they are not related to the Temple, and are instead related to the worship of Vivec specifically?
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:22 pm

They were made specifically for the nerevarine.

As for the Temple's stance and whatnot...they kinda seem make up their own stuff to make the Tribunal look super duper awesome, while keeping their gods locked up in places, and "entertain" them once in a while. There's a reason why the dissident priests were heavily under fire and often assassinated.
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:44 pm

They were made specifically for the nerevarine.


What do you mean?
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Miranda Taylor
 
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:04 pm

Dumbkid says it nicely here
Finally, I turn to the 36 Lessons of Vivec. I have long thought that the 3 Lessons for Ruling Kings, and other related sections, have (at least) two layers of meaning. On the one hand they are about Vivec's interactions with Indoril Nerevar - though most likely a highly edited account so as to make Vivec appear the wise teacher, and Nerevar the eager but foolhardy apprentice. On the other hand, they are messages, advise, and instructions to the Nerevarine.

And something I found from Lady Nerevar
yes, but the sermons are all about CHIM. their one and only point is to teach us (specifically the Nerevarine) how to achieve CHIM. if he didnt have CHIM he couldn't and wouldn't have written the sermons.

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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:05 pm

I see. But surely if Vivec achieved CHIM, the false divinity he gained from the Heart wouldn't matter, right?
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:31 pm

Hey, it takes a while to figure out how to achieve true divinity when no one else had tried it.
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:47 pm

This is getting off-topic. Thanks for your help, Hellmouth, you've been most informative.
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