CTD after savegame load : IV

» Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:15 pm

I've been having some unexplained CTD problems recently that I've tried to solve on my own but have proven unsuccessful thus far. It happened basically randomly, I had no problems after one load of my savegame, took my character around and switched cells, didnt really do much but the next time I load the CTD occurs. I didn't install any extra mods or anything between the two saves, but now neither one works and new games crash as well.

Its unlike CTDs on load I've had before because my savegame loads completely, but after about 5-7 seconds I get a *ding* and CTD. I was originally thinking perhaps it had something to do with some initialization of one of my mods (like Oblivion XP's startup crashed or pluggy, better music, etc.) but I'm still unsure and don't really know how I could solve that anyways.

Might have something to do with the change of cells, but still my other save in an isolated cell from before no longer works either so I'm puzzled.

If anyone has any advice or help, reply if you would. Thanks!

Leold

Heres my load order from Wrye Bash:

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  ScreenEffects.esm02  EnhancedWeather.esm  [Version 1.4.1]03  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm04  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm05  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]06  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]07  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]08  VASE - core.esm09  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]0A  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0B  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0C  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]0D  DremoraCompanion.esm0E  Better Cities Resources.esm0F  BetterMusicSystem.esm10  cssBase.esm  [Version 1.1]11  CM Partners.esm12  Toaster Says Share v3.esm13  CustomSpellIcons.esm14  HorseCombatMaster.esm15  UnnecessaryViolence.esm16  Oblivifall Master File.esm  [Version 1.0]**  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]**  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]17  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.10]18  DLCShiveringIsles.esp19  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]1A  Better Cities .esp1B  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp1C  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp1D  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp1E  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1F  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  LoadingScreens.esp20  LoadingScreensAddOn.esp21  LoadingScreensSI.esp22  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp23  EnhancedWeather.esp  [Version 1.3.5]++  EnhancedWeather - Darker Nights, 50.esp  [Version Final]24  Enhanced Weather - Across-The-Borders Mods Patch.esp  [Version Final]25  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp26  MIS.esp27  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp28  PCSoundKensai.esp  [Version 2.7]29  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]2A  phinix_master_summon.esp2B  Status Bars.esp  [Version 1.1]2C  Vows and Covenants.esp2D  Improved Hotkeys_Extended.esp  [Version 1.1]2E  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp++  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp2F  1SB_RavenousEleganceOutfit.esp30  Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp31  Alluring Wine Bottles.esp32  Extra Robe Pack.esp33  UFF & RM Extra Robe Pack.esp34  XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp35  Armamentium female.esp36  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]37  Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp38  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]39  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]3A  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp3B  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3C  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3D  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp3E  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]3F  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon - LLOnly.esp  [Version 0.5]40  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]41  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]42  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]43  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]44  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]45  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]46  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]47  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]48  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]49  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  VASE - Cyrodiil for MMM.esp++  VASE - Vanilla SI.esp++  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.39c]4A  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]4B  TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp  [Version 1.39c]4C  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]4D  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4E  T.I.E4MODS.esp  [Version 0.32]++  T.I.E4MODSOOO+FCOM.esp  [Version 0.1]++  T.I.E4MODSFCOM+COBL.esp  [Version 0.1]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]4F  LoadingScreens-OOO.esp50  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]51  Mage Equipment - OOO.esp++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]++  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp52  Lock Bash Omega.esp  [Version 1.5]53  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]54  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]55  Reaper's Coldstone Town.esp56  Side's Sailing Ships.esp++  Side's Sailing Ships (COBL).esp57  Steve - Hitman.esp58  TempleoftheFullMoon.esp59  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp5A  Knights.esp5B  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.10]5C  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp++  KotN Wayshrine Fix.esp5D  Damarask.esp  [Version 1.02]5E  The Lost Spires.esp5F  Blood&Mud.esp60  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp61  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.1.COBL]62  FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp  [Version 0.9.9]63  Oblivifall - 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Spell Requirements.esp88  TeachSpell.esp89  Judgement of the Nine.esp  [Version 2.2]8A  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]8B  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]8C  MidasSpells.esp8D  MidasMagicCompanions.esp8E  MMC_Iphigenia.esp++  Midas Betterholy.esp++  Midas Reduced Costs Quarter.esp8F  FearsomeMagicka.esp90  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp++  SM_DeadlyReflex.esp  [Version 0.86]91  Kayo.esp92  Oblivion XP.esp  [Version 4.1.5]++  Oblivion XP - Journal Mod Patch.esp93  actors_in_charge.esp94  ActorsInMadness.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk, reduced.esp  [Version 0.78]++  JOTN script effect replacer.esp++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]95  Corean_hair_for_Original_race.esp96  _Ren_BeautyPack_onlyhairs.esp97  Capucines Character Expansion - No NPC Change.esp98  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp99  Ice Elves and Wolf Elves.esp9A  Tabaxi Race 2.0.esp  [Version 2.0]9B  X.Races.Comp.esp9C  Sadran.esp9D  DABloodDemon.esp9E  CM Partners.esp9F  CM Partners NPC.espA0  CM Partners Extra NPCs.espA1  Companion Postal Service.espA2  cssCalisto.esp  [Version 1.1]A3  cssSafana.esp  [Version 1.1]A4  cssSarevok.esp  [Version 1.1]A5  1em_Vilja.esp++  1em_Vilja_as_Custom_by_4GVN.espA6  CompanionMaster.espA7  DremoraCompanion.espA8  AsharasCharactersAsNPCs.espA9  Herculine's Tabaxi Companions.espAA  Saerileth.espAB  Sonia.espAC  DADemons.espAD  DAKaleahSuccubus.espAE  Nec-Elf_Kaleah.esp  [Version 1.0]AF  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]B0  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]++  TamrielTravellers Cosmetics Cobl or RBP.espB1  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]B2  Recastable Summons.esp++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]B3  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]++  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]B4  DnD_Classes.espB5  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.espB6  BCBravilB&MFULL-Barrowfields patch.espB7  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.espB8  BCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland patch.espB9  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.espBA  BCCheydinhalFULLB&M-CheydinhalFalls patch.espBB  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.espBC  BCSkingrad-SkingradOutskirts patch.espBD  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.espBE  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.espBF  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition FPS Patch.espC0  Better Imperial City.espC1  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.espC2  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]C3  Get Wet.espC4  ScreenControls.esp++  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]C5  UnnecessaryViolence.espC6  Bashed Patch, 0.espC7  FormID Finder4.espC8  Streamline 3.1.esp

» Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:21 pm

Most probably that ding is from Windom Earle's Crash Prevention System (an OBSE plugin you may have installed).

My experience with WeOCPS is that it usually delays a crash, but never really cures the cause, so basically anytime I hear that ding and a crash is prevented, I still quit without saving, and go back to my previous save.

There may be many reasons for a crash (it could be corrupt spawns) - you can check by seeing if it crashes in the same spot, then trying to wait 3 days (or wahtever your respawn time is set at), and re-entering that cell.

Frankly, my suggestion is to go to a previous save (maybe 2 or 3 previous ones to be safe) where it was not crashing, and continue from there. It would be better from a stability point of view later in the game. Even if you manage to get your latest savegame not crash, it has been known to be unstable, and that will continue to linger in later savegames.

» Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:46 pm

Most probably that ding is from Windom Earle's Crash Prevention System (an OBSE plugin you may have installed).

My experience with WeOCPS is that it usually delays a crash, but never really cures the cause, so basically anytime I hear that ding and a crash is prevented, I still quit without saving, and go back to my previous save.

There may be many reasons for a crash (it could be corrupt spawns) - you can check by seeing if it crashes in the same spot, then trying to wait 3 days (or wahtever your respawn time is set at), and re-entering that cell.

Frankly, my suggestion is to go to a previous save (maybe 2 or 3 previous ones to be safe) where it was not crashing, and continue from there. It would be better from a stability point of view later in the game. Even if you manage to get your latest savegame not crash, it has been known to be unstable, and that will continue to linger in later savegames.

The ding might be from WeOCPS because I think I had downloaded it before. I don't really have enough time upon load to check if its because of corrupt spawns by changing cells or waiting because I only have around 5 seconds before it crashes to desktop. I try to check the console immediately to see if a faulty script from somewhere is causing the crash but it will crash anyways as its something in my initialization on startup of a load that is crashing me.

Unfortunately, going to any of my previous saves doesn't work as they all suffer from the same crash after a few seconds and even trying to start a new game crashes the game instantly. I tried checking if maybe Oblivion XP scripts were crashing( I sort of suspected it because on startup of a load around the same time as the crash happens is when Oblivion XP's exp bar turns from blue to yellow, signifying that its loaded my past experience points. It doesn't get a chance to do this because the crash happens.) but even trying to deactivate the omod and load it still crashes.

Thanks for the reply though anithinks

Leold

» Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:50 am

As soon as the game loads, open the console and write:
TAI
TSCR

This turns off AI processing and scripts and may prevent a crash.

Also, as soon as the game loads try:
COC Weye
in case something in the cell is causing the crash.

Also check the WeOCPS log. The error messages may give a clue as to the cause of the crash.

» Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:04 am

I figured out where the crashes came from. I had put plenty of extra music in my better music system folders a few saves before. The cell I had been in when making those had its own music which made me think nothing was wrong with the music files I placed. When I left the cell and went into the worldspace everything was fine and it even worked when going through several other cells, playing the music I had placed in the folders. I saved outside in a cell from the Dark Tower mod in the town of Coldstone, which for the most part I think has its own music. Then when reloading I guess something went wrong. I just randomly tried disabling the Better Music System esm just know and everything worked fine, no real problems as far as I can tell and no CTD upon fast travel or anything.

I'm wondering something else now though. Is it at all possible to put other music in Better Music System's folders and make it still work? I own NWN 1 and 2, Dragon Age, and Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 along with other mp3 and had used some of those files in the Taverns folder and Guild folders, for example to get all those great tavern tracks and others from those games. Is there anyway to tell which files I need to remove, or does only vanilla music work theyre. Really hoping I can get it to work without the crashes as I really liked having that music in Oblivion

Thanks for all the help so far anithinks and Petrus

Leold

» Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:36 am

Aside from Petrus's excellent suggestions, I also suggest trying to BOSS your LO, and read the log to see if any mods conflict are indicated in the log...

A few observations on your LO;

1) You are using Oblivifall- Losing My religion, and Cliffworms has indicated that it is not compatible with KOTN yet...
2) Are you using both Race Balancing Project and "Cobl Races"? RBP already includes the races included in COBL-Races...
3) I don't think TIE4MODS has been updated lately and if it is compatible with the latest FCOM...
4) I'm not familiar with "2D Improved Hotkeys_Extended.esp [Version 1.1]", but I heartily recommend the recent "Enhanced Hotkeys" by TheNiceOne.
5) Have you updated your Warcry to the latest v 1.09 BSA, and FCOM_Warcry accordingly? If not, check the FCOM thread in these forums.
6) Aren't these 2 sets of the files multiple versions of the same thing? Check the BOSS log notes, or ask in the BC thread:
B6 BCBravilB&MFULL-Barrowfields patch.esp
B7 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp
and
B8 BCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland patch.esp
B9 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp
also
BA BCCheydinhalFULLB&M-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
BB Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp
also
BC BCSkingrad-SkingradOutskirts patch.esp
BD Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp

7) Update to the latest UOP: v 3.3 IIRC.
8) Remove "47 Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]". Maybe already included in OOO - I remember some discussion about this in the FCOM thread...go ask in that thread to be sure...

» Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:01 pm

EDIT: Didn't see your latest post about BMS. I've never been able to run BMS without crashes - don't blame the mod, as many have run it succesfully - my system just doesn't like it (or it's OBSE Sound plugin EMC requirements).

You can add any music to the vanilla music folders (Battle, Public, Explore and Dungeons) without any problems even if you remove BMS. Any mp3 that plays on your machine correctly (try outside of game using Windows Media Player) should ideally be running fine in-game as well. If it throws an error outside of game (Windows can't play this file etc.), then the game is going to freeze when that track tries to play...

Adding music to BMS should work as it wa meant to have more files in it. BMS doesn't come with music files, you are supposed to add additional music to them anyway. So I don't see why that should be a question/problem...

» Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:14 pm

EDIT: Didn't see your latest post about BMS. I've never been able to run BMS without crashes - don't blame the mod, as many have run it succesfully - my system just doesn't like it (or it's OBSE Sound plugin EMC requirements).

You can add any music to the vanilla music folders (Battle, Public, Explore and Dungeons) without any problems even if you remove BMS. Any mp3 that plays on your machine correctly (try outside of game using Windows Media Player) should ideally be running fine in-game as well. If it throws an error outside of game (Windows can't play this file etc.), then the game is going to freeze when that track tries to play...

Adding music to BMS should work as it wa meant to have more files in it. BMS doesn't come with music files, you are supposed to add additional music to them anyway. So I don't see why that should be a question/problem...

I still would like the use the mod if possible, because it is really cool and I had run it before without issue before I did a clean reinstall a while back.
And yeah I noticed that, the files I put in the vanilla folders still played after being disabled. I'm fairly certain all the mp3s work well, I played them all primarily in I-Tunes though so maybe I'll quickly try each in Windows Media Player but I listened to all of them before I selected some for my folders so they should be fine. I was just asking about which music files are good because I read back over Better Music's Readme it does mention in troubleshooting that user's should try to use vanilla mp3 files only because other files might be transcoded wrong.

Oh, and thanks for the load order suggestions, always helpful!

Thanks

Leold