Alessia, Morihaus and Pelinal : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:42 pm

Kyne Battle-[censored] does it to Magnar's head, in Shor, Son of Shor. Oh, yes. She does.

These are worth a look:

Kyne had taken the head of Magnar, the jarl that betrayed the weakness of our spear-lines and fled the field. Shor shook his scaled mane. "That isn't Magnar," he said, "Magnar, I fear, fell at sunrise and became replaced by mirrors. The other chieftains are using our forms to lead us astray."

The waking world is the amnesia of dream. All motifs can be mortally wounded. Once slain, themes turn into the structure of future nostalgia. Do not abuse your powers or they will lead you astray. They will leave you like rebellious daughters. They will lose their virtue. They will become lost and resentful and finally become pregnant with the seed of folly. Soon you will be the grandparent of a broken state. You will be mocked. It will fall apart like a stone that recalls that it is really water.

Our enemies have undone me, and spread my body into hiding. In mockery of divine purpose, the Ayleids cut me into eighths, for they are obsessed with this number.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:56 pm

Okay I recognize the second two but I'm drawing a blank on the first. To the Library.

Oh ok. Of course it's from a forum post and of course it's MK. I should have used Detect Kirkbride to divine its true origin but apparently the school of Mysticism has been declared unappetizing by the College of Whispers.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:51 pm

Actually, the third is an in-game book, called The Adabal-a.

» Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:51 am

MY third, not yours.

I'm reading from the bottom up. I recognized the bottom two.

» Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:08 am

Bleh, why didn't you say so?

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:06 pm

Bleh, why didn't you say so?

You apparently know which one is which so I figured you'd infer the one I was talking about. Only one of the three was taken exclusively from a forum thread.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:35 pm

well when you said third, so I thought you meant the bottom one. Didn't know you read bottom-up.

» Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:38 am

Different situations call for different metaphors. The liberators of Niben followed the model of the Convention, not the tripartite model that was born of game mechanics and that really does not appear heavily in Kirkbride's stuff, even with the Tribunes who clearly fit it.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:11 pm

well when you said third, so I thought you meant the bottom one. Didn't know you read bottom-up.

I like my paragraphs the way I like my women.

» Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:41 am

Interesting arguments. And to get back to the subject, it will be interesting to see if they do represent specific individuals or are just representations of archetypes.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:58 pm

Different situations call for different metaphors. The liberators of Niben followed the model of the Convention, not the tripartite model that was born of game mechanics and that really does not appear heavily in Kirkbride's stuff, even with the Tribunes who clearly fit it.

MK uses this tripartite model, within the Convention: Nirn, Enantiomorph, and Martyr. The Serpent, their foil, being the sum of their own limitations.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:11 pm

MK uses this tripartite model, within the Convention: Nirn, Enantiomorph, and Martyr. The Serpent, their foil, being the sum of their own limitations.

I can't see warrior/mage/thief in any of that. Not naturally anyhow, we can always attempt to make it fit at a later date.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:08 pm

I can't see warrior/mage/thief in any of that. Not naturally anyhow, we can always attempt to make it fit at a later date.

In any of what, the sources? They echo Magnus.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:19 pm

Any chance they're the Marukhati Selective, breaking the Dragon?

» Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:51 am

Any chance they're the Marukhati Selective, breaking the Dragon?

Hmm, I don't think so. Why and how would the Selectives be using Thu'um? There are no indications of anyone dancing on a tower or staff and no dragon breaking.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:33 pm

I see. Isn't it possible that he can be portrayed as a man sometimes? As in his statue for example. In any case it might not be Morihaus, yes, but someone else. So the question remains. Who could they be if not those 3?

Morihaus might be described as a bull, but the Lord's Mail is sometime called the Armor of Morihaus and fit a human body perfectly. He is also a known Thu'um user.

As for whom they are, I would say the Oversoul. The only thu'um user I know that is said to have seen a "ghost" of Alduin is Wulfharth (going by the songs). So my guess is that the one on the left is a young Wulfharth, the one on the right the Underking back then. I have no idea about the one in the middle though.

It's also possible it is more recent and shows: Tiber, Wulfharth and Arctus.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:35 pm

Morihaus might be described as a bull, but the Lord's Mail is sometime called the Armor of Morihaus and fit a human body perfectly. He is also a known Thu'um user.

The links in that armour are made from the rings he wore in his nose and ears and nether parts

» Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:45 am

And you have no idea where those parts have been in. I mean, you're wearing his nose ring! It's going to have snot all over it!

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:32 pm

MK uses this tripartite model, within the Convention: Nirn, Enantiomorph, and Martyr. The Serpent, their foil, being the sum of their own limitations.

As the Lady said, this isn't at all coherent.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:43 pm

As the Lady said, this isn't at all coherent.

And the opposite is speechless.

You'll need to teach me the meaning of the word no, or go home.