Mannimarco?

Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:05 am

Was there ever any conclusion drawn as far as whether or not the Mannimarco you encountered in Oblivion was an imposter or not? It seems like an awful waste of a BBEG if it was really the same character from Daggerfall.
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BEl J
 
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:38 am

Dunno to be honest.

But it should just have been an avatar of him since he's now a god so to speak.

It would indeed be very sad if he would be to be cannonised (Is that even a word?) to have been the real deal.
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Neliel Kudoh
 
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:02 pm

I didn't need mithril or silver to kill him, so it can not have been him. The most simple explanation. Also, the Necromancer's Moon is Mannimarco given godly form, and since the Warp in The West can include Mannimarco ascending, I'd say it was either an impostor or just an agent, or avatar.
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Justin
 
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:15 am

Maybe Oblivion's Manimarco was just there to distract the Mages Guild for the Mythic Dawn during the Oblivion Crisis?
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Dale Johnson
 
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:04 pm

Could he have been a high elf follower of Mannimarco, who 'walked his way'?

I doubt it was the actual god Mannimarco. Besides, you cant kill a god, only banish.
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:51 pm

Could he have been a high elf follower of Mannimarco, who 'walked his way'?

I doubt it was the actual god Mannimarco. Besides, you cant kill a god, only banish.


I guess you dont mean "walk like him until he walks like you" in your first sentence. ;)
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:01 am

I guess you dont mean "walk like him until he walks like you" in your first sentence. ;)


I suppose I do.
If that cant be, please tell me why, ignorance needs enlightenment.

He sure talked like the Mannimarco of old would.
Could the Altmer we defeated have been channelling him?
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:59 am

There are many endings in Daggerfall that might warrant that there may be more that one Mannimarco running around, with one of them being a god.

With that said, there is no way in hell I would really consider Oblivion Mannimarco to be one of many Mannimarco running around Tamriel, seeing that it is a "bit" out of character that the King of Worms suddenly wanted to clash with the Mage Guild in such a manner and the fact in appearance of such a wimpy Altmer. Speaking of Altmer, for all we know, he could be an "avatar" of Mannimarco (doubtful) or http://gamall-ida.com/f/files/realmannimarco_190.jpg.
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:07 pm

Mannimarco the Altmer is dead. Mannimarco the God Of Worms in the sky is immortal and ageless.
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:51 am

I suppose I do.
If that cant be, please tell me why, ignorance needs enlightenment.

He sure talked like the Mannimarco of old would.
Could the Altmer we defeated have been channelling him?


If you "walk like him until he walks like you" you mantle a god. Therefore becoming him/changing him.

Of course it can just be crappy mechanics that allowed us to kill him without any problems.
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:51 am

You were able to kill several aspects of Hircine with relative ease in Soltsheim so I don't see what the problem is with an aspect of Mannimarco being swiftly dispatched. Especially with level scaling ;)
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:12 am

You were able to kill several aspects of Hircine with relative ease in Soltsheim so I don't see what the problem is with an aspect of Mannimarco being swiftly dispatched. Especially with level scaling ;)



Maybe with God mode enabled...
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:18 am

Maybe with God mode enabled...


The maze preceding it was more intensive. The battle with Hircine was rather refreshing. I guess Hircine has had more practice with his aspects than Mannimarco. First time fluke perhaps. I don't remember if the fight with Jygallag was particularly hard either. Perhaps he was rather rusty as well?
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:51 pm

Don't get me wrong. Karstaag, Almalexia and the Imperfect were all harder boss fights than Hircine's aspects, but he's still one of the toughest foes in the entire game, easily.
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:19 pm

Hiricine was hard only because his spear had paralyze. Never the less, I still had to chug some potions. However, I disagree with Karstaag. Found him quite easy. Almalexia was pretty difficult, and the hardest would have to that elf begger who came back in full ebony. Mainly due to his unbelievably high blocking skill, magical reflection, and luck.
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:43 am

Funny that a Bosmer can be better than a god. I guess luck does favour the bold.

Which goes to show: things can be slightly different in game mechanics (to go back to the OP) than what they are defined in lore.
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:06 am

God, I hated that guy.
Frikkin' beggars. >.>

If I didn't suspect it might be a certain deity my first time around, I wouldn't have bothered.
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:14 pm

I always assumed it was easier because Traven's soul was continuing to help you.
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:50 am

I always assumed it was easier because Traven's soul was continuing to help you.



Traven's soul in the colossal gem literally meant the Enthrall spell which is Mannimarco's trademark has absolutely zero effect on the player character.

That's usually the first and only spell Mannimarco has to cast in combat. It's likely his other combat and magical skills atrophied over the centuries because that's all he has to do to defeat enemies. And he usually sends minions rather than fight himself.

Of course that's Mannimarco the mortal Necromancer. There's more than one being by the name Mannimarco after Daggerfall. Possibly as many as nine, but at least two and at least one of them "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eisphnhri0&feature=related"


Of course as with all things Elder Scrolls lore there is another opinion. MK wrote http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nu-hatta-sphinxmoth-inquiry-tree and this was his opinion on King Of Worms:

King of Worms: "The Jills of Aka-tosh have mended this numidition. Mannimarco remains as he was: the high priest of maggots."

The Jills of Akatosh are lady dragons who fix dragon breaks. What Michael is indicating here is that Mannimarco did not become a god at all at the end of Daggerfall and remained mortal.

However there is clearly a Wormgod in the sky in TES IV that creates Black Soul Gems. So perhaps a new god was created but he is not Mannimarco. Confused yet?
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:36 am

I think of Oblivion's Mannimarco in the same thought as Oblivion's Akaviri.
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:45 am

i never ad trouble with the bosmer. Also because i heard about him before I met him and soul-trapped my luck up to 25,000 before facing him (i then soul trap-lowered it back down to the normal level)
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:11 pm

I think of Oblivion's Mannimarco in the same thought as Oblivion's Akaviri.



Those ghosts weren't supposed to be the Tsaeci, but their human slaves they used as front line soldiers. MK stated the Tsaeci were literally vampire snake men, and several other sources including the book series 2920 depict them as such.
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Post » Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:21 pm

Funny that a Bosmer can be better than a god. I guess luck does favour the bold.

The only difference between Fargoth and Hircine is their place in time. Perhaps mortals have the mastery, so the Daedroth deserves our pity? Dagon, most of all.
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