CTD on load or new game : IV

» Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:47 am

I've been having some awful luck with Oblivion crashes lately after having been stable for a while, and I apologize for asking again so soon but I've run out of options.

After may last problem was fixed, everything ran fine, except that when I leveled up with Oblivion XP and opened the leveling menu the text was far too bright to see correctly. Then I remembered that I'd uninstalled and reinstalled it briefly in trying to fix my last problem and that UI mods check for it and had to be reinstalled in order for everything to show up normal. So I reinstalled DarNified UI 1.3.2 omod and tried running Oblivion again. The main menu showed up alright but when trying to load any and all savegames or make a new game it crashes trying to load. New games seem to crash instantly.

I checked numerous sites and comments for this on nexus and darnified ui sites, but I'm still unable to tell what I might have screwed up this time. I also tried to install the other UI mod DarkUId DarN because I thought for a time it might have something to do with me having the Dark Uid versions of Loading Screens but installing original DarNified UI instead. Not sure if this will help, but I also noticed that in the loading screens before the main menu, the text seemed to be messed up in color both times,

So once again, I ask you for any help or advice you can provide. I've somewhat ruled out corrupt saves already as that would mean I would still be able to start a new game if I understand correctly, and I'm fairly certain my load order isn't the main culprit (but will post anyways) because on my save profile on wrye bash every save is purple, and no missing masters listed.

Thanks

Leold

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» Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:24 pm

delete oblivion.ini in docs

» Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:01 am

I tried it, but no change yet in CTDs

» Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:26 pm

Install DarnDarkUI.omod first, answer all questions. Install the other mod after DarkDarN, as it will be overwriting DarkDarn's level-up menu, and also reinstall any other mods that affect menus (Morrowind Lockpicking, Zumbs Lockpicking, Enhanced Economy, Enhanced Hotkeys (backup the ini first), QuestMenu etc.) again.

IIRC, DarkDarn has built-in support for KCAS-AF loading screens, so that should be installed BEFORE DarkDarN.

» Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:32 am

Tried it just now, I think the only mods I have that effect menus are Oblivion XP and Kyoma's journal.

So I unistalled them and reinstalled after DarkUIDarn and selected their options but it still CTDs.

Maybe loading screens .esps need to be uninstalled? I don't have omods of those so would I have to find their files and delete them? And you mentioned Enhanced Economy and I think I am using Living Economy included with FCOM via fransesco's so would I have to uninstall that?

Thanks

Leold

» Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:51 pm

Nope, enhanced economy has menu screen replacements, which living economy doesn't (I believe, I havent played with that in a long time). So no need to uninstall living economy.

If you have one of the loading screens that is already supported by DarkDarn (KCAS, Trollf, Atmospheric etc.), you don't need to reinstall those, unless you chose the loading screens with Darn options (I can't remember if they have a separate plugin for DarkDarn or not)...

I don't use DarN and DarkDarn together (the latter does not need the former), so I would recommend using only one at a time.

My suggestion:
Uninstall Darn, reinstall DarkDarN (select the options for Trollf's Dark loading screens or Darn loading screens depending on what you have already installed), reinstall Oblivion XP and Kyoma's journal.

If it still crashes, this CTD could be caused by something else...does it crash right away? DarkDarn UI's crashes are usually related to hanging at the loading screen type crashes.

» Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:37 am

I tried what you suggested but it must be something else because there wasn't any change yet.

If I try to start a new game, it will crash immediately, ending the program before the loading screen even shows up. When I try loading a save, it shows a loading screen for a little while that looks like its on zero progress of loading and after maybe 10 seconds the crash occurs.

Leold

» Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:29 pm

Look closely at your mods in Wrye Bash. Anyone turn up orange? If so check if they have missing masters. Missing master always lead to instant crashes when starting Oblivion.

» Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:12 am

I tried what you suggested but it must be something else because there wasn't any change yet.

If I try to start a new game, it will crash immediately, ending the program before the loading screen even shows up. When I try loading a save, it shows a loading screen for a little while that looks like its on zero progress of loading and after maybe 10 seconds the crash occurs.

Leold

Even if some mods that are supposed to overwrite DarkDarN's menus don't get installed later, it doesn't throw a crash, just that your UI looks funky in-game.

As you are crashing at load screen, it could be what Petrus suggested. Also make sure you are installing DarkDarN UI correctly - choosing the right options etc., seems like the changes it is writing to Oblivion.ini don't get written correctly. I've experienced this type of crash before... make sure you have an Oblivion.ini file where DarkDarN can write it's changes to (if you deleted the ini file earlier)...

» Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:47 am

Well I don't have any orange mods in wrye bash, all greens and my save profile is all green to so those should be good to go. I may indeed be picking the wrong options in DarkUIDarn, I did get a bit confused about which loading screens option I'm supposed to chose. Do the options I chose get added into the setup or do I need those esps installed to chose them?

I was thinking in my decisions that you would need the required esp to chose those so I'm picking Custom Font 1, trolf Loading Screens Dark UI Version, DarkUI'd DarN Loading Screens, Documentation and Colored Local Map. The custom font I'm choosing is Kingthings_Exter28 and large font. Then I'm saying yes to the changes it asks about for the Oblivion.ini.

My .ini file is in the correct place I think, Document/MyGames/Oblivion. It did regenerate like its supposed after I deleted it last time.

Leold

Edit: I tried running it again after doing the above just now and I got to my loading screen like usual. It started actually loading this time but got about halfway and then crashed

New games are still an insta-crash though

» Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:28 pm

Choose one of the two here:
trolf Loading Screens Dark UI Version,
DarkUI'd DarN Loading Screens,

My recommendation is to choose the first, not the second.

The way I understand it, you should have the appropriate esp installed for this before choosing the setting in the OMOD installation for DarkDarN.

» Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:04 pm

Yeah that was what I chose. I do have trolf's loading screens Dark'd in my LO so I just picked those. Must still be something else though...still loading only a bit before the crash.

» Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:07 am

How about trying to zoom in on the the cause of the issue?

Uninstall DarkDarN UI completely. Delete Oblivion.ini and let it regenerate.

Play with vanilla UI and see if it loads.

» Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:09 am

I uninstalled darndarkui, kyomas journal, and oblivion xp and reinstalled the last two with vanilla settings. However, the same crashes occur as did before. ~~Should I deactivate my loading screen mods too? I know there dark versions, wondering if that will affect~~ Edit: Just tried that, still comes up dark ui screens thou. Crashes the same.

» Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:55 pm

You probably still need to remove the trollf loading screens themselves, they're likely replacing the vanilla ones.

~~Try that, and if that doesn't work~~, try deactivating Oblivion XP itself if you think the problem stemmed from there somehow.

» Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:55 pm

Well, I have to disable my bashed patch to run without Oblivion XP. Doesn't work even when I do that,

Do you think it will be worth it tracking down the loading screen replacer files and deleting them?

» Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:59 am

Well, I have to disable my bashed patch to run without Oblivion XP. Doesn't work even when I do that,

Do you think it will be worth it tracking down the loading screen replacer files and deleting them?

Why don't you try putting the trollf package into BAIN's installer folder (oblivion mods, Bash installers) and letting it track them down for you?

Maybe try turning off Streamline, then?

If that doesn't work, you're probably going to have to purge your mods to find out what's wrong.

» Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:23 pm

Well I tried turning Streamline off, but it didn't work.

I actually don't have BAIN, ill DL it though

Edit: Just found out Bain is part of Wrye Bash. Feeling stupid lol

Leold

» Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:26 am

~~You have Wrye Bash, no? BAIN is included, just select the Installers tab.~~

And as for Streamline not being it, it looks like were going to need ramp things up, so try this:

Go into Bash, and deactivate EVERYTHING (except for Oblivion.ESM and DLC Shivering Isles.ESP if applicable). Then try and start a new game.

If that works, start re-enabling your mods, one half of your LO at a time. If you don't crash with one half, disable them and load the other half. When you find your crash, start deactivating those mods one-half at a time until you've narrowed it down.

» Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:24 am

Still doesn't run a new game, instant CTD. I'm actually really suprised that wouldn't work, I deleted the ini and everything and deactivated everyhting but Shivering Isles and Oblivion and still no cigar :facepalm:

» Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:53 am

With everything off? Oh dear....

Try going into OBMM and deactivating every OMOD you have, then. If that doesn't work....

You, my good sir, just might have bricked your game (don't fret, it happens, I've had to deal with it several times already). No one likes it, but you might be looking at a full reinstall if the above doesn't work. :flamed:

If you do need to lose the install, I'd recommend reading http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=bain_installation article and http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1084204-bain-mod-installation-projects/page__hl__BAIN%20installation thread pertaining to BAIN installation before you start reinstalling your mods. BAIN can be seriously helpful when it comes to maintaining your modded game, you just need to know how to use it. :grad:

» Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:55 am

Oh damn...Still nothing. Any other possible things it could be?

I've done a full reinstall once before, so I know its not the end of the world but...it takes forever to reinstall like 266 mods including fcom which takes even longer to do correctly. I even followed Blade of Mercy's guide last time and everything was stable enough until yesterday. lol I barely even did anything, didn't install any mods or anything. If not, any ideas on preventing this from happening next time, maybe I should learn Bain and use that more.

Leold

» Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:08 am

Oh damn...Still nothing. Any other possible things it could be?

Only that some mod content that OBMM and Bash can't see might be messing you up :violin:

You'd better ditch the install entirely and try again with game you are CERTAIN is cleaned of all modded content. If you STILL can't get the game to start... well... you'll probably need to repost this thread in the tech support forum.

» Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:42 am

Well I'm nearly certain my problem isn't hardware. I had my computer built just last year and its been fine with Oblivion.

So I suppose I'll have to reinstall after all unless there is some unseen process thats screwing things up. I'll learn what I can about BAIN I guess and try following 50 steps again, see if I can't run my old savegames again after I'm through.

Thanks for the advice all, now I need to try and get my stuff back before UV 2 and DR 6 come out :lmao:

Leold