What strikes me odd these days that people can't take games as they are and they try and try to mold those games to their likings.

What I mean is that these are computer games, in which we should be able to escape our ever day lives and just to enjoy.
If as a woman (just like the original poster) you are unable to enjoy a game in which you play characters from opposite six, that indeed makes YOU sixist in turn.

Funny how now days when looking at this issue, men are actually less sixist because we are able to play games with only female characters with no real issue.
Women seem to have major issues most of the time playing a male characters which makes them more sixist

Well go make your own game since it's so easy.

Imo its amazing how much focus is being put on this nowadays... I am baffled, soon game developers HAVE to develop games with ONLY female avatars because, well, guys don't really mind, and girls HAVE TO HAVE a female character to play, anything else would be blasphemy. I get the point, that it would be nice to have female and male avatars in all games, and so on and so forth... There is a time and money issue, as with everything, and the developers will make a choice based on experience and opinion. If gamers don't like that choice they can take their money elsewhere, it can't be that hard. If you really want the game, well then you can look beyond these small issues I would say.

Oh wow,another CoD fan-boy....You gotta admit,Black Ops was a peice of junk,and it was a waste of money for me,the story was way too short! I just wasn't really into it,the story didnt grab me,and i still hate playing CoD online because of a reason that will be stated below...And no,I am not a CoD hater,I loved MW2 and I am buying MW3 when it comes out...I think BRINK will be better then Black Ops,because BRINK is a NEW type of gaming,a NEW type of controls,and just plain awesome.



Really? That is why I hate CoD online! People screaming,people saying hacker,people say bastard,people calling you names I couldn't even imagine,when I play online,I work as a team,I dont scream,and I apologize when I do something wrong,let's say(as some random number) 8 million people play CoD,around 100,000 of those aren't whiny little(sometimes fat,so big too) snot-filled body bags.And if your one of them,then you won't be dissing not-professional kids that just want to have fun,you wouldn't be dissing a game that has potential either!




As short as CoD Black Ops's story?íit took my like 2 hours to complete it,and I'm not that great of a gamer




Why yes it is,my friend,yes it is!


If you aren't a CoD really devoted fan,alright,well then I apologize for not realizing you are just some guy ripping off a new game,Congrats! You got an "apology" from me!Good job,you peice of wheat

from a recent ESA survey - http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=17699 "A new report by the Entertainment Software Association (ESA) claims that 38 percent of all gamers are female, with the average female gamer spending 7.4 hours per week playing games." Now granted the types of games that the survey finds that women enjoyed playing tended to lead away from the hardcoe crowd, but still 38% of all gamers is nothing to scoff at from a business perspective.

There are bigger problems in the game than lack of female models.

I really do agree with that lack of male investment in the characters we play. It's just really not that important that you play your gender if it's going to get in the way of the story. Yes you could argue that we have had male characters since the early days of video games and as such playing as a female character doesn't phase us for a good reason, but it seems more and more that there is a very small, very loud group of female gamers who see the need to make every video game forum their own sixism soapbox.

The reason why you don't see female characters in games with excessive violence and gunplay is because women have never been allowed near these situations in any military sense. Yes women enroll in the military every day, but never into frontline combat roles, they aren't allowed. It's for many reasons but the two biggest ones are that:

A ) Women are physically much much weaker than men and this puts them at a distinct tactical disadvantage that would be silly to encourage. It's not sixism, it's basic biology.

B ) Any country or organisation that belongs to the human race has a natural and culturally enforced aversion to putting the bearers of our offspring in the line of any overt danger in a big way. It's not great for the future of the species to have women being shot at and melee attacked.

The last government-run security force in a world where the human race is on the BRINK (see what they did there?) of extinction just wouldn't allow it. And as such you would only be able to have female characters on the resistance team, a move that would create even more complaints no doubt. I don't think the resistance would be too keen on their wives and mothers being shot at either.

And that's all story based reasons, I haven't even mentioned the technical reasons behind female characters being far more risk than gain in the development phase. And even if they did put them in, feminists would complain about the proportions of their bodies being "unrealistic". You're right, they are unrealistic, because it's NOT. REAL.

Much weaker? Yeah there are biological difference between sixes but it's more about how much muscle mass they can achieve in the end, not general strength.



Actually women serving in front line combat roles is much more common in South America and eastern Asia, with a few other places littered in between, especially in guerrilla warfare (which Brink would fall under). There are female Columbian soldiers who could rip through any other soldier.

Also, in reference to not wanting to send child bearers into combat seeing as how it might negatively impact the future of the species: the Ark is already ten times over populated. They are not scrapping for numbers.

And your last bit is just speculation, really. So... meh...

my mrs loves her games. can she handle FPS... nope. she doesnt like them. she will be happy playing motorstorm apocalypse right now!

The Ark is a tiny island. It IS overpopulated but concentration doesn't equate to overall numbers. The human race is essentially over. For the sake of genetic diversity, any right-minded governing body would want to keep as many women and children alive as possible in the hope that there would be land somewhere in which they can begin anew. As for the muscle mass thing, it takes women significantly more work over a longer period of time to achieve the same muscularity as men doing half that. Women can definitely fill a role in the battlefield but carrying a massive chaingun while sprinting down escalators is not one of them. Hell, it's a stretch to have even giant men doing these things!

Whenever you see women in games like this (Gears of War 3 is a great and very recent example), you are seeing developers answering the call of the aforementioned female minority harassing them to let us chainsaw women in two as well. Anya had a very believable and pivotal role in Gears of War 1 & 2, but now I can't take her seriously because she's stomping the heads off subterranean monsters with biceps as big as motorcycles. It's ridiculous. It doesn't fit. Not every game is out there to make gender commentary and they should definitely not be attacked for including more or less of any particular gender if it doesn't make sense to do the opposite.

It's not very progressive, no, but sometimes the truth isn't always going to be an answer you want to hear.

This whole "sixism" thing is really starting to piss me off....sorry but its true =/

Every day theres the same threads. I have many many views on this some supportive and some not but I cba to go into them because 1) Ive done it before and 2) It would start an arguement most likely.

Im all for strong female characters...but as soon as the waah waah starts I couldnt care less about you or your views.

(yes Im in a bad mood at the time of writing this)

Its like adding females characters in CoD, its pointless

5000 is more than enough bio-diversity to keep the species going, you're better off having a few women and children dying then your entire population dying of malnutrition and dehydration.

No one is asking for all women to be carrying chainguns doing parkour off two stories, but the body type template is just as applicable. As a male are you physically competent enough to do half the things in this game? I'm guessing no, because this is a work of fiction in a highly romanticized world. Your blanket assumptions on six is lacking.

To add on to that: you can hold your disbelief in stomping motorcycle sized intelligent alien life but you draw the line if it's a woman? lolololol

go check world records for any *physical* sport. womens times are lower than mens. weights, speed, endurance, height etc etc.

what you say is like someone saying 'oh a black bear isnt stronger it just has more muscle'

i can see you will not let it lie but you cant deny the fact that men are generally stronger and bigger than women. i would also like to see some little columbian women take on someone from ther SAS etc.

Don't be picking fights with one another in here or making personal attacks on one another because your opinion differs. You may debate an idea but you may not attack one another.

'tis alright to disagree.

Calling people's comments "d*uchey" and not having a clue about the topic? Priceless.

For everyone else that hasn't fallen into the pit of ignorance yet, feel free to search the forums, there was a megathread explaining why there are no female models.

Why dont they have children models either? I am sure there could of been child soldiers on the Ark for the resistance. Also why didn't they let you be a Tranny, I am sure there are plenty of Trannys that play games. And on that note why didn't they let you be an Orc, I mean so many other games are doing it, so why didn't Splash Damage do it?

This one is done. Time to get out the whooping compound.

No more of these threads for a few days until we can discuss it in a mature manner.