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this refers to Talos using CHIM to change Cyrodiil from jungle to what was seen in Oblivion, and has nothing at all to do with thu'um, correct?

Thu'um probably could be seen as one of the Walking Ways and by thus being one method of reaching CHIM. But there hasn't been anything solid information to support that claim.

So i guess answer is no.

Yes.

Walking Ways and CHIM are unrelated.

Notice how he words the sentence.

I breathe now in royalty.

CHIM is the secret sigil for royalty.

Talos' mastery of CHIM has nothing to do with the thu'um in. (Though he did master both.) The thu'um, in turn, is simply shouting magic and is not related to the Walking Ways at all.

You in the Fourth Era have already witnessed many of the attempts at reaching the final subgradient of all AE, that state that exists beyond mortal death. The Numidium. The Endeavor. The Prolix Tower. CHIM. The Enantiomorph. The Scarab that Transforms into the New Man.



He probably had to use both to do something as drastic as change an entire geography. Hence, breath in royalty.

I thought CHIM was one of the Walking Ways?

The others would be things like Numidium, Amaranth and The Psijic Endeavor.

Or am I way off the mark?

Well, yes, I'm sure the writer here deliberately mixed the imagery, as it is indeed very fitting for Talos. All I'm saying is that there is no necessary connection.

According to the loveletter there are six walking ways, posted above. We know that the fourth is Mantling/The Enantionmorph and the fifth is CHIM. Amaranth isn't so much a walking way as one destination led to by a walking way, a "form" of divinity for lack of a better term.

OKay, sorry I wasn't precise enough. Second was implying that Thu'um, the language of the air and dragons, is like mantling, cause you're kinda mantling a dragon and Mantling and CHIM are the similar things (one can help achieve the other).

I was under the impression that Amaranth is considered the highest and most ideal form of divinity - the one that can break the Dragon once and for all. Doesn't it represent the scarab becoming the new man becoming Love?

So, "I breath now, in royalty" couldn't possibly just be a buffed up way of saying "I run this fuggin' town"?

Can anyone point to me where these quote come from? Context could save the day.

They are from the http://imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-mythic-dawn-commentaries and the http://imperial-library.info/content/many-headed-talos.

So, it's the newly victorious and crowned emperor rallying his troops, telling them of his might and then using CHIM to get rid of that silly jungle.

I am going to go ahead and suggest that using Thu'um to such an extent as to deforest an entire continent wouldn't do much good for, you know, everything else on said continent. CHIM would be a much safer option for the men he is doing a favor for. So, I'll say yes, thu'um has nothing to do with the clearing of the jungle.

It actually is, more or less. Think King Arthur and you're on the road.

EDIT: Obliqueness Realization Minute Mend. "The king is the land, the land is the king."

Tom Paine's bones just rolled over in their various unmarked graves.

Um, where's the "Like" button?

Crap.

Yeah. Currently there's nothing to back it up. Interesting to see does things change during/after Skyrim and do we end up with one more Walking Way.

Unlikely, but it amuses me.

Not another walking way, because there's already a way for mantling.

Your right, i'm sure of it. But i'm eager to prove that i'm not very intelligent and neither am i possessing vast amounts of understanding. So i will continue.

I know very little about Thu'um in general, it's powerful enough to kill and destroy, Greybeards and few other can use it. Isn't that pretty much all there is what we can know about it.

So why should Thu'um be mantling? Why it couldn't be more related to for example Prolix Tower? With Prolix Tower i understand White-Gold and all those. Harvesting and using some sort of unfamiliar and little known magic.

The Thu'um is a lot more subtle and flexible than some lore sources suggest. It's not just a big battering ram for bursting down city walls. It has manifold variations, just like any kind of magic or spiritual energy. You could easily shout 3/4s of someone's lifespan away or convince large crowds of people that they're chickens. As Tommy Paine would say "We have it within ourselves to begin the world anew." What magic of any kind boils down to, especially in the context of Tamriel, is reshaping the world in a way that suits you. When you use a Destruction spell to slow down or hurt/kill an enemy, you're doing so because it is a required action in your vision of the path laid before you. Same could be said of people who Mantle or become Gods through other means. Becoming a God is part of their vision for the way they feel the world ought to be. Likewise the Dragon Shout can be used in many different ways, depending on your goal.

One thing more to cement my wrongness, sadly it has to be myself to deliver final blow. But anyways. Hjalti-Tiber lost his Thu'um long before he gave his gift to Red Legion... Ofcourse this doesn't necessarily mean that Talos couldn't use Thu'um. I'm still trying to figure out final identity of Talos, who are there and in what portitions.