Shor son of Shor : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:55 am

I'm with 1999. I started lore reading by Morrowind. I took TES lore as pretty simple stuff to understand as long as i brought along my dictionary (non-english speaker as i am). So at least for me it worked well as it seemed easy to get familiar with. At least as long as i didn't wander into internetz and into lore forums... And took 36 lessons as religious mumbo-jumbo which gives me free skill points.

Funny thing is that for me lots of locked gates has opened in last year when i haven't even pissed at general direction of TES-lore. :celebration:

» Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:11 pm

So party on dude

Without pants, of course, or else you're not partying.

» Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:05 am

Without pants, of course, or else you're not partying.

always expect the unexpected then ^^

» Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:09 pm

Hey I actually understand this in almost the entirety!! That's a first for me (especially with MK's sneaky style). But, as always, I have a question haha. When Shor goes to the Underworld to talk to Shor, is the one down there the survivor from the previous kalpa, or just an another avatar? Or is the one entering the Underworld to speak to his father the aspect?

» Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:20 pm

When Shor goes to the Underworld to talk to Shor, is the one down there the survivor from the previous kalpa, or just an another avatar?

That's Shor descending to the next Mundus. Same Shor, new Kalpa.

» Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:48 pm

Hey I actually understand this in almost the entirety!! That's a first for me (especially with MK's sneaky style). But, as always, I have a question haha. When Shor goes to the Underworld to talk to Shor, is the one down there the survivor from the previous kalpa, or just an another avatar? Or is the one entering the Underworld to speak to his father the aspect?

That's Shor descending to the next Mundus. Same Shor, new Kalpa.

Why just one?

» Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:07 am

Why just one?

One audience forms multiple perspectives - and a new Kalpa makes Lorkhan new and many - but there is only one audience, one story, and one Lorkhan.

» Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:13 am

My attempt at breaking down the OP's narrative

anolysis: Shor son of Shor

And the awful fighting ended again.

"Kyne's shout brought our tribe back to the mountaintop of Hrothgar, and even our recent dead rode in on the wind of her breathing, for there had been no time to fashion a proper retreat. Their corpses fell among us as we landed and we looked on them in confusion, shaken as we were by this latest battle in the war of twilight. The chieftains of the other tribes still held their grudge against our own, Shor son of Shor; more, they had united finally to destroy us and used skin-magic to trick us into disarray.

Kyne uses Th'um (the voice) to teleport members of a warring faction back to the top of High Hrothgar. I believe this to be the tribe of humanity. Since mortals were created by the Aedra, they, have aspects of each of those creators among their group. That is why you see Kyne, Dibella and Mara in this tribe. This group is led by Shor and have just fought a loosing battle against the Aedra. This fight is a recurring fight and it happens at the twilight of each Kalpa. If the Aedra win, Alduin shows up and the world is consumed

"Shor was disgusted with the defeat, and disgusted more when reminded by Jhunal that our withdrawal had been wise, for we were outnumbered eight to one. Shor took on the form of his Totem then, which he used to better shape his displeasure, rather than to shout it aloud and risk more storm-death. His shield thanes, the brothers Stuhn and Tsun, bowed their heads, collecting the spears and swords and wine-knives Shor threw about the broken pillars of the easternmost sky-temple. The rest of us looked away and to our own, not even to acknowledge the thunderclap that signaled our Queen's arrival, who stepped in from the tunnel of her own breath last.

Shor can barely contain his rage at this retreat even though it was an unbalanced eight to one fight. If he shouts there will be deaths so he throws things around instead. As the rest of the group cowers, Kyne is the last to be teleported in from the battle

"Kyne had taken the head of Magnar, the jarl that betrayed the weakness of our spear-lines and fled the field. Shor shook his scaled mane. "That isn't Magnar," he said, "Magnar, I fear, fell at sunrise and became replaced by mirrors. The other chieftains are using our forms to lead us astray."

Shor quickly recognises that the hostile Aedra have used impersonation to exploit weaknesses within his ranks

"And then Shor walked away from his War-Wife to enter the cave that led to the Underworld. He needed to take counsel with his father yet again. "Our chieftain loses heart," Dibella said, Bed-Wife of Shor, hefting another body onto the corpse pile some of us were making, "And so goes to the speak to one that has none anymore. Mirrors, indeed, and in that I see no logic."

The monomyth clearly states that:

The magical beings of Mythic Aurbis live for a long time and have complex narrative lives, creating the patterns of myth. These are spirits made from bits of the immortal polarity. The first of these was Akatosh the Time Dragon, whose formation made it easier for other spirits to structure themselves. Gods and demons form and reform and procreate.

Aedra can form and reform and procreate. So Shor may be a true offspring, form or reformation of Lorkhan.

...Pause for length here. Post will be edited later

» Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:38 am

All this speak of mirrors, has it been brought up that Altmer mirror logicians still fight Numidium outside time?

» Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:35 pm

Should have been.