The 4th era

Post » Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:39 am

Dunmers deserved everything that was coming for them. Because of their slave trade, anti-Imperial crap and persecution of vampires. Yes, I hope the survivors who fled to Solstheim are devoured by Hircine's hounds when the next Bloodmoon arrives. That is all.

I would think that their persecution of vampires is justified; vampires being blood-svcking monsters and all.
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Post » Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:23 am

I would think that their persecution of vampires is justified; vampires being blood-svcking monsters and all.

Meh. They were just upset that they were at the bottom of the food chain.
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Post » Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:26 pm

Vampires, since they eat humans, are actually at the top of the foodchain :P

Anyways, slavery as an evil I can understand. But anti-imperialism? Are you expecting everyone to gladly give up the land they've lived on for generations to some random dude, and then gladly give up your culture and convert to theirs?
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Post » Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:58 am

Tell you what I don't understand (but that could be because I havn't read the book) but how the heck did 'The Argonians' who never seem to have a coherent fighting force or anything managed to conquer any of Morrowind. I mean I just don't see the Dunmer running tale between their legs while their homeland (or whats left) is conquered.

Edit: Honestly, I'm rather disappointed with the turn they took with the books, its just....i dunno how to describe it...crummy to me I guess.

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Post » Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:06 am

Tell you what I don't understand (but that could be because I havn't read the book) but how the heck did 'The Argonians' who never seem to have a coherent fighting force or anything managed to conquer any of Morrowind. I mean I just don't see the Dunmer running tale between their legs while their homeland (or whats left) is conquered.

By the time the Argonians invaded there probably weren't many Dunmer left. Their homeland had been decimated, and those that did not die were fleeing. The Argonians were united by their hate of the Dunmer and desire for revenge, as well as being mind-controlled by the Hist. My guess is that the Argonians don't actually have enough of a garrison in Morrowind to hold the province, especially after Umbriel, and so hold it only titularly.
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Post » Sat Apr 30, 2011 5:40 am

Tell you what I don't understand (but that could be because I havn't read the book) but how the heck did 'The Argonians' who never seem to have a coherent fighting force or anything managed to conquer any of Morrowind.


We've never really seen the Argonians in their heartland, outside of which they are frequently subject to racism and slavery, particularly by Dunmer.
By the time of Infernal City, Argonia is under the control of the An-Xileel faction, which is said during the Oblivion Crisis to have flooded into Oblivion with such great force and strength that Dagon's military leaders closed the gates, this may be propaganda though.
On top of this as Lady Nerevar said, Vvardenfell and political structure of Morrowind was in chaos with the falling of the MoT and the eruption of Red Mountain.
Before the invasion of Umbriel it said they had settled most of the southern villages/towns in Morrowind.
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Post » Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:08 am

It's never perpetrated in Lore as a united Kingdom really (to my knowledge) is what I was mostly going after, other than some here-say about an Argonian King, but we never see or hear of Black Marsh ever acting as a unified nation, which is what made me wonder about talk of 'Conquest" by Argonian's. I understand however, the circumstances a bit better now, thanks to you guys.
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Post » Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:19 am

The Argonians have been fighting border wars for years I'm quite sure that this would provide sufficient combat knowledge. Plus their hate would drive them further.
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Post » Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:01 am

The Argonians have been fighting border wars for years I'm quite sure that this would provide sufficient combat knowledge. Plus their hate would drive them further.

These, the cataclysm that destroyed Vvardenfell, and most importantly, them all fighting as a single unit at once via the Hist. They were, during the fighting, literally a single Meta fighting through hundreds of thousands of bodies who, at the time, would have had zero regard for their own pain or personal safety.
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Post » Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:48 pm

By the time of Infernal City, Argonia is under the control of the An-Xileel faction, which is said during the Oblivion Crisis to have flooded into Oblivion with such great force and strength that Dagon's military leaders closed the gates, this may be propaganda though.
Actually, someone brought up how the other provinces fared during the Oblivion Crisis. I gave a silly scenario of what happened in BM (mainly disease, and bugs often killing cultists, and guerrilla warfare), and MK alluded that I was not that far off.

Also, lets look at the misfortune the dunmer faced during the end years of the 3rd era.
1) The Tribunal was cast down, removing the god shield they had
2) Nords and orcs raided Redoran territories bordering Skyrim before the Crisis
3) House Indoril being picked apart by the other houses and Helseth
4) The military arm of the dunmer is in decline (house Redoran) and faced with bad corruption
5) The Oblivion Crisis ravages Morrowind a new one. Redoran lost badly on the new capital, Ald'rhun, even with the aid of the giant undead emperor crab. Telvanni was really the only house putting up a fight, but even then they weren't really gaining any ground
6) The Ministry of Truth falls, Red Mountain blows its top, annihilating Vvardenfell and covering it with a foot or 2 of ash and causing the seas to boil, even 40ish years after Red Mountain blew its top.

Really, this was the perfect opportunity for the Hist and argonians to strike back.
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Post » Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:44 am

And the rest my friends well its just Rock ''n'' Roll history :celebration: (Argonian Fan).
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Post » Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:55 am

The assassination attempts of government officials are alluded to several times throughout the Infernal City novel.

The rest is from various lore sources on the Aldmeri Dominion and the Thalmor over at the Imperial Library. A quick search of either of those terms will reveal what is known about them. They've literally been at perpetual war with Tiber Septim since before he or they existed on Mundus. Strap yourself in because that's deep.


How is that possible? Tiber Septim was a mortal general. He was not born as the incarnation of any deity
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Post » Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:33 am

How is that possible? Tiber Septim was a mortal general. He was not born as the incarnation of any deity

Tiber Septim became Talos, and as a god he had always been. Apotheosis made him timeless.
Just like how Vivec was both born a mortal man and existed eternally, except for that "one red moment" of ascension where the two timelines touched.

More to the point, pertaining to Tiber's war with the Thalmor, his use of Numidium in the siege of Alinor broke time.
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Post » Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:06 am

More to the point, pertaining to Tiber's war with the Thalmor, his use of Numidium in the siege of Alinor broke time.


Where are you sourcing that from? All I was able to find is that it the way he did it was unknown but then again I really don't know exactly what I would be looking for in this case.
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Post » Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:43 am

Where are you sourcing that from? All I was able to find is that it the way he did it was unknown but then again I really don't know exactly what I would be looking for in this case.

It's not the Brass God that wrecks everything so much as it is all the plane(t)s and timelines that orbit it, singing world-refusals.

The Surrender of Alinor happened in one hour, but Numidium's siege lasted from the Mythic Era until long into the Fifth. Some Mirror Logicians of the Altmer fight it still in chrysalis shells that phase in and out of Tamrielic Prime, and their brethren know nothing of their purpose unless they stare too long and break their own possipoints.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/forum-archives-michael-kirkbride
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