Who was/is Jagar Tharn(history,motives,race.)

Post » Sat May 07, 2011 2:28 pm

Been hearing a bit about this guy and wanted some info from you guys cheers :thumbsup:
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Steve Bates
 
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Post » Sun May 08, 2011 1:12 am

Race: According to The Real Barenziah he is part Bosmer and part Dunmer, with possibly some other mixture of races. Judging from his appearance, he seems to be primarily Bosmer, though the Dunmer part of him comes through quite a bit as well.

History: Not much; about all there is for before Arena is that he gained the Staff of Chaos by seducing Barenziah and tricking her into retreiving it for him. Reading the later chapters of The Real Barenziah gives just about all that's known about him. I don't believe his birthplace or how he got the position of Imperial Battlemage are known at all.

Motive: Why did he trap the Emperor and take his place? That's the big mystery. Battlespire says he was working with Mehrunes Dagon, so he may have been trying to help him, though in that case he could have just killed the Emperor, kept the Amulet himself, and thus caused the Dragonfires to go out - though quite possibly that wouldn't have worked at that time. More likely he just wanted power, though that sounds too simple; I'd prefer him to have something more fun for a motivation. ;)
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Post » Sun May 08, 2011 1:39 am

I'd say, he was a power hungry mer. He wanted to sit in the big boy's chair, and stop getting women who are very loose for the late emperor Uriel. He most likely allied with MD to be able to lock up the emprah, and I doubt he had intentions to release the daedroth onto Nirn.
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Post » Sun May 08, 2011 1:39 am

Seems like a bit of a [censored] :P cheers for the info :)
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Post » Sun May 08, 2011 2:47 am

and I doubt he had intentions to release the daedroth onto Nirn.


Yeah, that would have ended his comfortable seat as emperor really quick. Besides, I don't think Dagon had any plans on Tamriel at the moment. Though exactly what Dagon wanted out of the arrangement is uncertain, I think. Maybe he had a real grudge against the battlemages at the Battlespire? Or perhaps he simply wanted to add that part of Oblivion to his realm?
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Post » Sat May 07, 2011 10:17 pm

Yeah, that would have ended his comfortable seat as emperor really quick. Besides, I don't think Dagon had any plans on Tamriel at the moment. Though exactly what Dagon wanted out of the arrangement is uncertain, I think. Maybe he had a real grudge against the battlemages at the Battlespire? Or perhaps he simply wanted to add that part of Oblivion to his realm?
No, he wanted to invade Mundus, but to his troops, especially his top lieutenant, it wasn't time yet.
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Post » Sun May 08, 2011 6:21 am

No, he wanted to invade Mundus, but to his troops, especially his top lieutenant, it wasn't time yet.

If you're referring to Camoran, he was playing Dagon like a chump.
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Post » Sun May 08, 2011 3:28 am

If you're referring to Camoran


You mean Jagar Tharn?

No, he wanted to invade Mundus, but to his troops, especially his top lieutenant, it wasn't time yet.


This is fine, but if he had the Emperor imprisoned in his realm, why didn't he just kill him and invade with the barriers down? It seems that by imprisoning the Emperor in Oblivion that Jagar Tharn would have given up his only leverage over Dagon.
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Post » Sat May 07, 2011 3:26 pm

He's the classic "evil chancellor" character type. He's a collection of different races, probably all of the mer with a mix of Breton and Cyrodillic thrown in. He was apparently a VERY powerful magician, even before acquiring the Balac-thurm, he wouldn't have been Imperial Battlemage if he wasn't.

He was most skilled at the school of Illusion, being able to, essentially, polymorph (to use a DnD spell).

He was a very naughty man.
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Post » Sat May 07, 2011 8:48 pm

If you're referring to Camoran, he was playing Dagon like a chump.

This is fine, but if he had the Emperor imprisoned in his realm, why didn't he just kill him and invade with the barriers down? It seems that by imprisoning the Emperor in Oblivion that Jagar Tharn would have given up his only leverage over Dagon.
Read the Battlespire walkthrough. But to help hasten your discovery, here is what I mainly refer to http://www.imperial-library.info/content/havok-wellhead#Imago_Storm
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Post » Sun May 08, 2011 4:07 am

This is fine, but if he had the Emperor imprisoned in his realm, why didn't he just kill him and invade with the barriers down?

The barriers didn't exist yet.
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Post » Sun May 08, 2011 6:55 am

The barriers didn't exist yet.

...What? According to that train of thought, the "barriers" have existed since time out of mind. Ever since Akatosh/Lorkhan covenanted with Alessia.
Although I'll admit the whole idea doesn't make much sense to me...
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Post » Sun May 08, 2011 6:34 am

Arena is largely retconned anyway. The specifics will get muddled, but the general story remains intact. Heck, it's been in semi-retcon mode since Daggerfall, ala The Real Barenziah. I would say to take note of Battlespire, as that was happening during TES I: Arena.
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Post » Sat May 07, 2011 8:37 pm

Keep in mind that Dagon is the Prince of Destruction. The Real Barenziah details all the conflicts that arose due to an incompetent and power-hungry ruler sitting on the throne; it's easy to guess from his character in The Real Barenziah that Jagar Tharn simply took the throne because of his thirst for hunger, but Dagon aided him because of the havoc such arrangements would wreak.

Since Red Tower and its Stone was still functioning, the barriers were not in danger of failing, so Dagon's real invasion would have to wait until Mankar Camoran. In the meantime, Dagon got bloodshed from dozens of smaller conflicts across Tamriel.
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