Magnus, Sithis, and Lorkhan? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue May 17, 2011 8:11 pm

So I've been pouring over notes in the Imperial Library site (God's blood. Wish I knew about it sooner.) I was researching stuff on the Nine Divines, and their other versions in different cultures (becasue of the Alduin, Akatosh stuff.)
But then I started thinking about three other gods that are hardly ever mentioned in-game (actually I dont think Magnus is ever even mentioned in Oblivion.) and they are also not mentioned much at the Imperial Library. So I wish to pick all the mind's of the Lore Buff's here on information about Magnus, Sithis, and Lorkhan.
In particular I'd like to know more information on Magnus. Somewhere I think I heard he is the God of Sorcerery, and was the architec that created the blue print of the world for Lorkhan. But I have no idea how much of that is true or even where I heard it. Was many years back when I was playing Morrowind, before Oblivion came out.

Thanks in advance.

» Tue May 17, 2011 8:41 pm

Do not call Sithis a god, for he is more of a force than anything.

For Magnus, there isn't much, other than he was the architect of Mundus, but later abandoned it and created the sun, which is nothing more than a giant hole in the wall going to the Aetherius. The stars are the same, only smaller. Also, MD and Magnus are related, if http://www.imperial-library.info/content/seven-fights-aldudagga

Also, there is a LOT on Lorkhan, though he is not always called that. To the Cyrodiils, he is Shezarr. To the Nords, he is Shor.

Also, have you read the Monomyth yet?

» Tue May 17, 2011 8:53 pm

To clarify slightly, he created the sun by ripping through the sky to return to the Aetherius. It's the hole he tore in his departure.
The stars were made by lesser beings doing the same thing, as far as I understand.

Best thing to do to find information on Lorkhan is probably to search this forum. He's a topic very frequently discussed.

» Wed May 18, 2011 12:26 am

The Et Ada must have been innumerable then to create so many stars

» Wed May 18, 2011 2:39 am

Lesser Daedra were still Et Ada. It would stand to reason that similar spirits would follow Lorkhan or Magnus or whatever. Those that didn't become Ehlnofey (or so the Altmer would have you believe), probably followed Magnus out to Aetherius.

» Wed May 18, 2011 7:02 am

I've read the Monomyth. And thanks for all the info.

Was hoping for more on Magnus, but I guess thats not possible if there isn't more released by the dev's.

» Wed May 18, 2011 9:16 am

He's also got a cool staff...and that's about it.

» Wed May 18, 2011 12:52 pm

So I've been pouring over notes in the Imperial Library site (God's blood. Wish I knew about it sooner.) I was researching stuff on the Nine Divines, and their other versions in different cultures (becasue of the Alduin, Akatosh stuff.)
But then I started thinking about three other gods that are hardly ever mentioned in-game (actually I dont think Magnus is ever even mentioned in Oblivion.) and they are also not mentioned much at the Imperial Library. So I wish to pick all the mind's of the Lore Buff's here on information about Magnus, Sithis, and Lorkhan.
In particular I'd like to know more information on Magnus. Somewhere I think I heard he is the God of Sorcerery, and was the architec that created the blue print of the world for Lorkhan. But I have no idea how much of that is true or even where I heard it. Was many years back when I was playing Morrowind, before Oblivion came out.

Thanks in advance.

Not to be kinda off topic but also on topic.... :mellow:

Anyway, have you read up on the Yokudan version of Lorkhan (Sep)? Reason I bring that up is that for some reason I was kinda half-joking on a next expansion/DLC of Skyrim and god knows why I chose Sep to be the follow up of the whole deal with Alduin (like in Fallout 3 and Broken Steel DLC) but when I actually read up on Sep, I was shocked http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sep#Sep Sure it is not ALL close to the Skyrim deal but it still is too me. Here is http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-monomyth-yokudan-satakal-worldskin Hellmouth was mentioning

Just thought I tell ya :goodjob:

» Wed May 18, 2011 1:00 pm

To all things, there must be an exception. Except for that statement.

Yokudans (not Redguards, as they've been Westernized a little) were the most Merish men and Dunmer/Chimer were the most Mannish mer. What is it about dark skin?

» Wed May 18, 2011 1:20 pm

The Et Ada must have been innumerable then to create so many stars

They were. Until they weren't. Oh, hello, Mr. Time.

» Wed May 18, 2011 9:11 am

Lorkhan is in the nine divines. hello, Talos (who mantled Reman who mantled Shezzar who was made out of Shor/Lorkhan)

» Wed May 18, 2011 4:11 am

I've read the Monomyth. And thanks for all the info.

Was hoping for more on Magnus, but I guess thats not possible if there isn't more released by the dev's.

Apparently, the daedric prince Meridia is related to Magnus, read http://www.imperial-library.info/content/meridia, on the Imperial Library. The relation is, to my knowledge, only detailed there and does not extend much further in the lore and games (beyond speculation), so it remains to be seen what this link between the two entails.

If you want some insight into the Cyrodiil people's interpretation of "Lorkhan," read the songs of Pelinal and related material (the Adabal-a comes to mind, though inscrutable it certainly concerns the correct personages). "The Arcturian Heresy" and "Five Songs of King Wulfharth" are also interesting links in the Lorkhan story.

» Wed May 18, 2011 10:16 am

Magnus is a complicated fella. We still don't fully understand specifically the relation between him and the Leaper Demon King who becomes Mehrunes Dagon (as seen in the Seven Fights of the Aldudagga). The Leaper's role in that myth is strongly indicative that a correlation exists. It's possible he is a "mirror-brother" of Magnus, in the same sense that Akatosh and Alduin are the same and yet different. If we're lucky we'll find out more in Skyrim.

I also am strongly prompted to quote an interesting Nibenean story concerning the Leaper and Magnus' relation posted by one "King Bendu Olo" a few months ago. Whether they were a dev, librarian, Maruhkati or lunatic I am not wholly sure, but it stuck with me and I found it interesting and you may take it as you will:

When I was but a lad, my great-granddaddy (honest-ish Nibenese he spoke, dead langauge now, 'membered only by ghosts of the past such as I) told me a story of a naughty demon who would leap places Aka' said he couldn't. He leap'd so many times he tore a big [censored] hole in the sky (and he made sweet love to that gaping hole, making children uncountable, some of them naughty like he, like that young girl of his, Meri-something-or-Raga-Dia), so big that the even bigger dragon (he's bigger than big, he's like huge) actually noticed that damn hole, so he asked the demon "Why you leaping so hard little devil?"

The Devil replied "Piss off!", so Aka' sequezed that demon hard between his tail (making him six feet shorter), "Okay! Okay! I leap because I visioned true end, destruction, destruction of everything! Horrible! I must escape!".

So anyway, Aka' then punched that Devil so hard he sent him to hell, and made him a grand 'ole prince, even though some say that some missing man or greedy god tricked that demon blind (as he does in all stories, that wiley & slippery fish).

That's granddaddy's story (of a story of myth of legend) as I 'member it anyhow.

...Oh, the point of the story is that the Devil-who-is-Magnus-who-is-Akatosh-hu-is-Dagon isn't who he used t'be (you get like that after being so many other people), and instead of run'n he is now fighting (well Aka' did corner him), which he is doing so he can stop playing Akatosh and be true freedom again (because a 'red' freedom is just revolution) and run away. Ofcourse the only reason why he's Aka' is because he saw himself as Destruction, which caused him to see the BIG God, which meant... [NUMMIT]

» Wed May 18, 2011 2:34 pm

Who is Ebon arm?

» Wed May 18, 2011 12:23 pm

Who is Ebon arm?

Ebonarm is a war god mentioned in Daggerfall. Apparently, fighters guild facilities in one of the Regions are actually his temples. It is generally concluded that Ebonarm is a culture hero/deity of the region.