EDIT: More statements, less questions. Also changed the idea a bit because of the posts that have been made.

Okay, forget what I posted about concepts and all that. Main questions are nice and bold.

Now for the question I still have. Namely, why are mortals so special? Because they can reach CHIM? If so, what do they have that other entities do not have? Is it choice?

Wild Speculation Alert!!!---If mortals are the ability to choose (and, by CHIM's associations, the will of everything), then that may explain the waxing and waning power of a concept according to the attention paid to it by the masses (we, the everything, approve of your existence), as well as divine intervention (we, the everything, say to do this). Because of this (and the conflicts between various mortal factions), it would seem that the world of mortals has it's own, unthinking to-do list.

Also, could it be that Lorkhan is do what you want (freedom in creation), and Akatosh is do things this way (cycle, cycle, fix it, fix it)?

Or maybe all concepts can move and do, and the mortals simply have more ideas to use (as they are made of all that came before).

There is a central element missing in your outline

When IS and IS NOT ( Anu and Padomay) emerge, they actually have to touch or make contact before Possibility (Arubis) is created

Within the Arubis, other spirits form. Anuiel, Sithis, Akatosh, Lorkhan etc



Also the element of choice is always there from the beginning...

Anu chooses to create Anuiel for the purpose of self realization.

Lorkhan chooses to cajole the et ada into creating Mundus

I have always seen Anu described as a primal force, and not a thinking thing. It seems beyond Anu's ability to touch something, or to choose to create. And the generation of the other spirits still seems to fit with what I've posted.

And Lorkhan having choice kind of goes along with mortals having choice. Once he exists, he and all of the concepts associated with creation create (by their very coexistence) Mundus.


If there is a problem, it is that some spirits left. But then again, I am not sure that their leaving signifies choice on their part.

Only the Padomaic entities have will. All entities are Padomaic, even Anui-El, created by Padomay to try to understand the unthinking Anu but who rebelled against his father and was then killed by his father's son Sithis. Nirn is understanding and understanding is love.

Thus also did IS and IS NOT die, as IS made nothing and is nothing, and IS NOT made everything and is everything. The Aurbis is their corpse, just as Mundus is the meat and bones of dead gods.

This works out equally well with the gods, IS, and IS NOT having no wills of their own. If IS was the possibility that nothing (less than nothing really) existed as itself and only itself, then the possibility of IS NOT nothing would have created the possibility of something (or all the somethings), as something is not nothing.


On Anui-El, could it not be that he and Sithis are simply the concepts made possible by the interaction of Anu and Padomay? Anui-El is the possibility that something exists (Aubris) and Sithis is the possibility that the things that exist do not exist as they do.

Also, could it be that entities emobdy the concepts of IS and IS NOT to change (Sithis) the established order of things to suit their nature(Anui-El)?


It would seem that every concept can (and must) be made of any combination of the concepts that preceeded it. So no entity is fully aligned with any idea except their own.

That last bit also goes along with the idea that mortals are special. They can do many things, and they can choose which thing to do.

Anu created Anui-El for the very same reason that Padomay created Sithis

But Anu is stasis. Any change or inspiration to change is impossible for Anu. That's why they only existed for an anti-eternity.

(Casts Risen Flesh) This is my view of things. This is also why I began to think of gods as ideas and could-be's. If this (my original post) is the case, then how many concepts does it take to make a man? Also, how can a concept choose? Unthinking reaction is not necessarily the same as intelligent meddling, but from the right perspective, the two may be indistinguishable.

Maybe the gods as they appear are the possibility the thing they appear to be (knowing, doing ideas). Or maybe ideas are simply aware and able. Less important to me than first post.

I don't have enough lore to answer that satisfactorily, but my take would be man and mer are the concepts which trusted Lorkhan the most, and became the most deeply immersed in the Mundus. The concepts do not make the man, merely the context. The less an entity is a concept, the more it has freedom. The entity prime has not even any mind, and the two that he dreamed immediately shattered from paradox.

After reading your this, I realized that I should have asked a different question. Namely, how many concepts must be in place before mortals can exist? Or maybe they are the idea of a thing that can choose and perceive, and the reality of Mundus is (as you said) simply an environment?

Also, do you (the reader) consider men and mer variations on a single concept (a thing that may choose to destroy and to love and to change), or are mortals a combination of all preceding ideas? I personally favor the former.

Lastly, I think it may be best to restore my original post, if only to provide a context for this mess. I feel that I am a long, long way outside of the written lore.