Akavir, Daedra, Aedra, Dragons, Umaril : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:49 am

Did the Aedra create all of the inhabitants of Akavir?
Do Dragons in Skyrim have anything to do with any Akavir or are they there own dragons and have nothing to do with Akavir dragons?
Do you think the Dragons in Skyrim are the surving ones from Akavir or do they have nothing to do with them and are just creations of Alduin?
Is that a Tsaesci that Talos in the statue is stabbing?
Are the Kamal daedra because they are described as demons.
Is Umaril connected to anything to do with the end of Nirn considering his father is from the last kalpa?
What do the Deadra have to do with this if anything at all?

thanks -w2drs21

» Fri May 27, 2011 2:03 am

Did the Aedra create all of the inhabitants of Akavir?
Do Dragons in Skyrim have anything to do with any Akavir or are they there own dragons and have nothing to do with Akavir dragons?
Do you think the Dragons in Skyrim are the surving ones from Akavir or do they have nothing to do with them and are just creations of Alduin?
Is that a Tsaesci that Talos in the statue is stabbing?
Are the Kamal daedra because they are described as demons.
Is Umaril connected to anything to do with the end of Nirn considering his father is from the last kalpa?
What do the Deadra have to do with this if anything at all?

thanks -w2drs21

They're probably descended from the Ehlnofey, but who knows. Akavir is mysterious indeed.
As far as I know, these dragons have nothing at all to do with Akavir.
Again; they're just related to Alduin.
I highly doubt it.
Probably not. The information we have of them suggest that they're a permanent population residing in their lands; doesn't fit for them to be daedra, who are only occasionally and loosely bound to Nirn. There's speculation that they might be like Karstaag from Bloodmoon.
I couldn't say.
I couldn't say.

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:12 pm

They're probably descended from the Ehlnofey, but who knows. Akavir is mysterious indeed.
As far as I know, these dragons have nothing at all to do with Akavir.
Again; they're just related to Alduin.
I highly doubt it.
Probably not. The information we have of them suggest that they're a permanent population residing in their lands; doesn't fit for them to be daedra, who are only occasionally and loosely bound to Nirn. There's speculation that they might be like Karstaag from Bloodmoon.
I couldn't say.
I couldn't say.

Thanks for your replies. = )

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:24 am

Did the Aedra create all of the inhabitants of Akavir?

Aedra didn't really create mortals, so no. We know the Tsaesci came from the Ehlnofey just like men and mer, so we can assume the other inhabitants of Akavir did too.

Do Dragons in Skyrim have anything to do with any Akavir or are they there own dragons and have nothing to do with Akavir dragons?
Do you think the Dragons in Skyrim are the surving ones from Akavir or do they have nothing to do with them and are just creations of Alduin?

I can't claim to know the story of Skyrim, but I'm fairly certain that they have nothing to do with Akavir.

What do the Deadra have to do with this if anything at all?

Again, I don't know the story, but I'm pretty sure that as far as the main quest of Skyrim goes, they have nothing to do with it.

I don't know the answers to the rest of your questions.

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:18 am

Aedra didn't really create mortals, so no. We know the Tsaesci came from the Ehlnofey just like men and mer, so we can assume the other inhabitants of Akavir did too.

I can't claim to know the story of Skyrim, but I'm fairly certain that they have nothing to do with Akavir.

Again, I don't know the story, but I'm pretty sure that as far as the main quest of Skyrim goes, they have nothing to do with it.

I don't know the answers to the rest of your questions.

Alright, thanks for your replies. = )

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:10 am

Todd has said there are different kinds of dragons in Skyrim. The ones we fight are Jills, lady dragons.

The snake in the statue is likely a depiction of the Serpent, which symbolizes Mundus. The stature is a depiction of Talos' apotheosis.

I'm going to assume none of the races mentioned in Mysterious Akavir are Daedra, just Akaviri.

He is the enemy of all who walk free on Tamriel today. A survivor of the ancient race of Ayleid slavemasters who once ruled Cyrodiil.

[Presently] the half-Elf [showed himself] bathed in [Meridian light] ... and he listed his bloodline in the Ayleidoon and spoke of his father, a god of the [previous kalpa's] World-River and taking great delight in the heavy-breathing of Pelinal who had finally bled...

If Pelinal embodied freedom, Umaril the Unfeathered was his antithesis: tyranny. His father was likely Umaril the Feathered.

Umaril's mistress was Meridia. Also, the Ayleids made a treaty with the Daedra, in order to harvest creatia from Oblivion, but that's the only connection I'm certain of. Meridia may have drafted the treaty to rule Mundus, and Umaril was the arbiter of the treaty.

» Fri May 27, 2011 5:10 am

I wonder if the Kamal are really demons at all. Nords call mer "devils," so it might be a similar case.

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:09 am

The snake in the statue is likely a depiction of the Serpent, which symbolizes Mundus. The stature is a depiction of Talos' apotheosis.

Like the statue of Vivec stabbing a scarab at the High Fane.

I wonder if the Kamal are really demons at all. Nords call mer "devils," so it might be a similar case.

They're demons, just not of the western variety.

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:50 pm

Todd has said there are different kinds of dragons in Skyrim. The ones we fight are Jills, lady dragons.

The snake in the statue is likely a depiction of the Serpent, which symbolizes Mundus. The stature is a depiction of Talos' apotheosis.

I'm going to assume none of the races mentioned in Mysterious Akavir are Daedra, just Akaviri.

He is the enemy of all who walk free on Tamriel today. A survivor of the ancient race of Ayleid slavemasters who once ruled Cyrodiil.

[Presently] the half-Elf [showed himself] bathed in [Meridian light] ... and he listed his bloodline in the Ayleidoon and spoke of his father, a god of the [previous kalpa's] World-River and taking great delight in the heavy-breathing of Pelinal who had finally bled...

If Pelinal embodied freedom, Umaril the Unfeathered was his antithesis: tyranny. His father was likely Umaril the Feathered.

Umaril's mistress was Meridia. Also, the Ayleids made a treaty with the Daedra, in order to harvest creatia from Oblivion, but that's the only connection I'm certain of. Meridia may have drafted the treaty to rule Mundus, and Umaril was the arbiter of the treaty.

oh interesting. and thanks for your reply.

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:31 am

I wonder if the Kamal are really demons at all. Nords call mer "devils," so it might be a similar case.

yeah, maybe, and thanks for your reply.

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:09 am

Like the statue of Vivec stabbing a scarab at the High Fane.

They're demons, just not of the western variety.

what are demons in the elder scrolls universe? and thanks for your reply.

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:18 am

"Demon" or "devil" are basically used to describe anything you don't like or think is evil.

As a note, please don't triple post. You can click that little "MultiQuote" button at the bottom of each post you wish to quote and then hit "Add Reply" so that multiple quotes show up in your post. You can also copy/paste the quotes by hand.

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:00 am

"Demon" or "devil" are basically used to describe anything you don't like or think is evil.

As a note, please don't triple post. You can click that little "MultiQuote" button at the bottom of each post you wish to quote and then hit "Add Reply" so that multiple quotes show up in your post. You can also copy/paste the quotes by hand.

Oh okay thanks, and I wasn't aware that you could multi quote. thanks for the info.

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:37 am

Did the Aedra create all of the inhabitants of Akavir?
Do Dragons in Skyrim have anything to do with any Akavir or are they there own dragons and have nothing to do with Akavir dragons?
Do you think the Dragons in Skyrim are the surving ones from Akavir or do they have nothing to do with them and are just creations of Alduin?
Is that a Tsaesci that Talos in the statue is stabbing?
Are the Kamal daedra because they are described as demons.
Is Umaril connected to anything to do with the end of Nirn considering his father is from the last kalpa?
What do the Deadra have to do with this if anything at all?
thanks -w2drs21

Probably.
Probably not. There have always been dragons on Tamriel.
Probably not. Probably Alduin.
I don't think so?
No. Kamal are mortal.
No idea.
Alduin isn't a Daedra, so I would say not, though:

In each of the TES games, a tower or stone has been destroyed (that holds the borders of oblivion at bay), and the Throat of the World is a tower, High Hrothgar. I imagine it will be destroyed in the next game.

» Fri May 27, 2011 2:42 pm

(that holds the borders of oblivion at bay)

Nu-Hatta said Red Mountain allowed Mundus to exist, without the presence of divines, because Lorkhan gave Mundus his divinity: Nirn. This made Red Mountain necessary for the Dagonites to deactivate, if they were to return Mundus to its 'Mythic Dawn' state.

The outcome of the Convention was to leave the terrestrial sphere in their excess, for its own good, but that it should last after their departure as in the semblance of the Ada-mantia. Mundus was given its second Tower, the Red, whose First Stone was the Heart of the World, "as in the image.

Lorkhan is the Spirit of Nirn, the god of all mortals.

The powers also created Red Tower and the First Stone. This allowed the Mundus to exist without the full presence of the divine. In this way, the powers of Ada-mantia granted the Mundus a special kind of divinity, which is called NIRN, the consequence of variable fate.

All Aldmeri towers mold creation, but White-Gold had unique power over the Aurbis.

As they were the most powerful of lesser spirits in the ages after the Convention and eager to emulate what they saw, the Aldmer began construction of their own towers. That they built more than one shows you that they were not of one mind.

The Aldmer began to split along cultural lines, on how best to spread creation and their parts in it. Each Tower that was built exemplified a separate accordance.

Like all of the polydox constructs of the earliest Aldmer... White-Gold Tower is a conduit of creatia... it was a focus point for (re-)reaching the divine.

Though the Ayleids gave theirs a central Spire as the imago of Ada-mantia, the whole of the polydox resembled the Wheel, with eight lesser towers forming a ring around their primus... this same "jest" gave White-Gold Tower a power over creatia unlike any on this plane(t). It was a triumph of sympathetic megafetish, and the Start of the [Threat! To! Empire!] that brings me to this Council.

If the Ayleids made their own Wheel within the Wheel, were-web aad semblio, what would happen if they plucked its strings?

If knocking out the other towers was necessary, the Dagonites would have targeted them. As it was intended to be, White-Gold had influence over the Aurbis, and Mankar the Dagonite desired this. He wasn't going to deactivate the only device that could make him king of the Aurbis.