FCOM + Open Cities Classic : IV

» Wed May 11, 2011 7:15 pm

Hey, basically I have a stable FCOM running (aside from having a few redundant ones still) but regardless it works great... until I add Open Cities Classic. I can't seem to find a solution for this as I cant figure out what the problem is. I have tried just about every compatibility patch for bridges+roads and the UL mods. If I disable the Open Cities Full.esp everything works like a charm. My load list is pretty long so I would hate to ask someone to look through it all, but if there might be any common problems with OCC that conflict with any other mods I could check if I have them.

Thanks

» Wed May 11, 2011 4:15 pm

My load list is pretty long so I would hate to ask someone to look through it all...

Most of us are used to anolyzing long mod lists - don't let that bother you. It's academic anyway: we aren't able to help you until you post your list.

» Wed May 11, 2011 4:36 pm

oh sorry! i totally meant to post my list LOL.

-HERE IT IS-

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» Wed May 11, 2011 9:34 am

ok I have found the solution finally... it seemed I was using the DLC patches from MOBS because they had overwritten the Supplementary. I guess theres simply no way to get MOBS stats from DLC and use Open Cities at this time... which isnt that big of a deal.

the guards are a little whacky running in circles and the towns are pretty dead but nothing I cant fix with a crowded mod.

» Wed May 11, 2011 6:47 pm

I don't understand how that is the problem.

That doesn't make sense. I see you have OMOBS in there - are you referring to using MOBS versions of the Patches - no need with OMOBS.

You could also get http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=19203 - which is just the stats adjustments.

Still that does not make sense what your posting.

» Wed May 11, 2011 4:02 pm

ah cool! thanks for that mobsified link, saw it earlier but wasnt sure to trust it or not...

what I meant for MOBS was that, I had used the other MOB DLC download that replaced the actual DLC NAME - Unofficial Patch.esp for each one. So the MOB version was out dated because I simply swapped them out with the Supplementary ones again which were newer and everything worked fine.

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=14402 i think that is the one that causes problems...

on a less related note, im having trouble finding a decent mod or two to add a lil more NPC's to the roads without having tons of problems like most have. ^_^ trying to find a traveling npc mod that just adds a lil bit to the dead roads WITHOUT npc's that have 100000g u can loot when they die. o.o

» Wed May 11, 2011 8:13 pm

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=4387

or

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=20575

» Wed May 11, 2011 1:28 pm

Yes, you ran into the reason for the KOTN DLC patch update - FCOM contains all of the component parts that will trigger a CTD when combined with version 1.0.9 of the KOTN patch and OCC. Updating the DLC patches solved it because that bug was among the fixes included. It's specifically an OOO issue, but either way, that's why putting the right DLC patches in corrected it.

» Wed May 11, 2011 12:05 pm

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=4387

or

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=20575

I use both these mods. I've never encountered a problem running them at the same time.