The same books... : V - Skyrim

» Wed May 18, 2011 5:38 pm

Why can't we have epic dragon fights in which we throw newly written books?

That... would actually be... disturbingly awesome...

» Wed May 18, 2011 6:30 pm

The only problem with your claim, and it's just a tiny, little one, is that you're completely wrong. I've done some actual research into this matter instead of blindly complaining about the same misconception other people do, and the results came up as about 90 books being written for Daggerfall, about 230 being written for Morrowind, and about 140 being written for Oblivion. Oblivion added plenty and the only way 80% of Oblivion's books could have been copied and pasted directly from the books created for Morrowind would have been if Morrowind had 560 books created for it and all of them were copy-pasted to Oblivion. Neither of those requirements are even close to true.

Books created for Oblivion:

Spoiler

1. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:A_Life_of_Uriel_Septim_VII
2. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Rislav_The_Righteous
3. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ahzirr_Traajijazeri
4. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:History_of_the_Fighters_Guild
5. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Fire_and_Darkness
6. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Five_Tenets
7. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Followers_of_the_Gray_Fox
8. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Hiding_With_the_Shadow
9. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Manifesto_Cyrodiil_Vampyrum

10. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Necromancer%27s_Moon
11. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pension_of_the_Ancestor_Moth
12. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Beggar
13. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Thief
14. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Warrior
15. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:King
16. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Argonian_Account,_Book_1
17. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Argonian_Account,_Book_2

18. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Argonian_Account,_Book_3
19. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Argonian_Account,_Book_4
20. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Beggar_Prince
21. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Exodus
22. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Knightfall
23. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Purloined_Shadows
24. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Refugees
25. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Thief_of_Virtue
26. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Adabal-a

27. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Amulet_of_Kings
28. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Battle_of_Sancre_Tor
29. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Before_the_Ages_of_Man
30. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Cleansing_of_the_Fane
31. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daughter_of_the_Niben
32. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dwemer_History_and_Culture
33. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Fall_of_Vitharn
34. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Last_King_of_the_Ayleids
35. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Legendary_Sancre_Tor

36. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Lost_Histories_of_Tamriel
37. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Remanada
38. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Song_of_Pelinal,_v_1
39. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Song_of_Pelinal,_v_2
40. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Song_of_Pelinal,_v_3
41. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Song_of_Pelinal,_v_4
42. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Song_of_Pelinal,_v_5
43. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Song_of_Pelinal,_v_6
44. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Song_of_Pelinal,_v_7

45. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Treatise_on_Ayleidic_Cities
46. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Advances_in_Lock_Picking
47. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ayleid_Reference_Text
48. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Bark_and_Sap
49. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Calcinator_Treatise
50. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:De_Rerum_Dirennis
51. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:An_Elytra%27s_Life
52. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:From_Frog_to_Man
53. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Fundaments_of_Alchemy
54. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Heavy_Armor_Repair

55. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:History_of_Lock_Picking
56. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Immortal_Blood
57. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Light_Armor_Repair
58. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Liminal_Bridges
59. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Lithnilian%27s_Research_Notes
60. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Liturgy_of_Affliction
61. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Living_Woods
62. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mace_Etiquette
63. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Magic_from_the_Sky

64. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Manual_of_Armor
65. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Manual_of_Arms
66. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Manual_of_Spellcraft
67. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Manual_of_Xedilian
68. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Predecessors
69. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Proper_Lock_Design
70. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Reality_%26_Other_Falsehoods
71. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Saints_and_Seducers
72. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Shivering_Apothecary

73. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Shivering_Bestiary
74. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Souls,_Black_and_White
75. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Standing_Stones
76. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Varieties_of_Daedra
77. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Way_of_the_Exposed_Palm
78. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Agnar%27s_Journal
79. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Amantius_Allectus%27_Diary
80. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ancotar%27s_Journal
81. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:A_Bloody_Journal
82. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Brenus_Astis%27_Journal

83. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Cap%27n_Dugal%27s_Journal
84. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Cindanwe%27s_Notebook
85. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dar-Ma%27s_Diary
86. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Diary_of_Springheel_Jak
87. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Doors_of_Oblivion
88. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Drothan%27s_Field_Journal
89. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Drothan%27s_Journal
90. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Father_of_the_Niben

91. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Frostcrag_Spire_Memoirs
92. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Gelebourne%27s_Journal
93. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Greywyn%27s_Journal
94. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Grommok%27s_Journal
95. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Journal_of_the_Lord_Lovidicus
96. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Log_of_the_Emma_May
97. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Path_of_Transcendence
98. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ramblings_of_Audens_Avidius
99. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Red_Kitchen_Reader

100. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sacred_Witness
101. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sir_Amiel%27s_Journal
102. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Traelius%27_Journal

103. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Traitor%27s_Diary
104. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Macabre_Manifest
105. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Report:_Disaster_at_Ionith
106. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Warp_in_the_West_(book)
107. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mysterium_Xarxes
108. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tome_of_Unlife
109. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Legend_of_Krately_House
110. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mannimarco,_King_of_Worms
111. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Ravings_of_Fenroy
112. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Song_of_Hrormir
113. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Black_Arts_On_Trial

114. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Myth_or_Menace%3F
115. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:16_Accords_of_Madness,_v._VI
116. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:16_Accords_of_Madness,_v._IX
117. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:16_Accords_of_Madness,_v._XII
118. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Bible_of_the_Deep_Ones
119. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Blessings_of_Sheogorath
120. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Divining_the_Elder_Scolls
121. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Heretical_Thoughts

122. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Modern_Heretics
123. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mythic_Dawn_Commentaries_1
124. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mythic_Dawn_Commentaries_2
125. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mythic_Dawn_Commentaries_3
126. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mythic_Dawn_Commentaries_4
127. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Myths_of_Sheogorath
128. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Opusculus_Lamae_Bal_ta_Mezzamortie
129. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Prophet_Arden-Sul
130. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Shezarr_and_the_Divines
131. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ten_Commands:_Nine_Divines
132. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Trials_of_St._Alessia

133. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Glories_and_Laments
134. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Guide_to_Anvil
135. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Guide_to_Bravil
136. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Guide_to_Bruma
137. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Guide_to_Cheydinhal
138. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Guide_to_Chorrol
139. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Guide_to_the_Imperial_City
140. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Guide_to_Leyawiin
141. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Guide_to_New_Sheoth
142. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Guide_to_Skingrad

I agree with your general point that Oblivion offered its share of new books.
I dont think however its fair to include in your list DLC specific books, or short lists, or atrocities like 'manual of armor', something that belongs in an actual paper manual and includes unforgettables like : 'Blacksmiths can forge heavy armor from iron, steel, dwarven, orchish [sic], ebony or daedric.' Argh.

Also many an Oblivion book was rare because only attainable through rare loot, like Daggerfall.
The copy/ pasted bookcases everywhere with the same lackluster books in them, the lack of new books that were nothing more than short lists or gameplay hints, together with the rarity of actual new lore or history or 'flavour' books..
Overall this made the game seem less 'booked.'

» Wed May 18, 2011 11:35 pm

Bethesda should just have a place where you can send them fan fiction and any other writing you think would be appropriate for inclusion. They could have one guy look over the submissions every now and again and add them into the game if they are decent enough. I'm sure the communtiy could generate a ton of books for the game to make bookshelves a bit more varied.

» Wed May 18, 2011 10:49 pm

Bethesda should just have a place where you can send them fan fiction and any other writing you think would be appropriate for inclusion. They could have one guy look over the submissions every now and again and add them into the game if they are decent enough. I'm sure the communtiy could generate a ton of books for the game to make bookshelves a bit more varied.

Interesting idea. The only immediate problem I can think of is fan fiction possibly conflicting with the new material they've already written. Would be a neat idea and a way to "give back" though.

» Thu May 19, 2011 5:53 am

The only problem with your claim, and it's just a tiny, little one, is that you're completely wrong. I've done some actual research into this matter instead of blindly complaining about the same misconception other people do, and the results came up as about 90 books being written for Daggerfall, about 230 being written for Morrowind, and about 140 being written for Oblivion. Oblivion added plenty and the only way 80% of Oblivion's books could have been copied and pasted directly from the books created for Morrowind would have been if Morrowind had 560 books created for it and all of them were copy-pasted to Oblivion. Neither of those requirements are even close to true.

Books created for Oblivion:

Spoiler

1. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:A_Life_of_Uriel_Septim_VII
2. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Rislav_The_Righteous
3. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ahzirr_Traajijazeri
4. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:History_of_the_Fighters_Guild
5. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Fire_and_Darkness
6. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Five_Tenets
7. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Followers_of_the_Gray_Fox
8. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Hiding_With_the_Shadow
9. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Manifesto_Cyrodiil_Vampyrum

10. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Necromancer%27s_Moon
11. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pension_of_the_Ancestor_Moth
12. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Beggar
13. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Thief
14. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Warrior
15. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:King
16. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Argonian_Account,_Book_1
17. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Argonian_Account,_Book_2

18. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Argonian_Account,_Book_3
19. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Argonian_Account,_Book_4
20. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Beggar_Prince
21. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Exodus
22. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Knightfall
23. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Purloined_Shadows
24. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Refugees
25. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Thief_of_Virtue
26. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Adabal-a

27. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Amulet_of_Kings
28. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Battle_of_Sancre_Tor
29. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Before_the_Ages_of_Man
30. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Cleansing_of_the_Fane
31. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daughter_of_the_Niben
32. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dwemer_History_and_Culture
33. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Fall_of_Vitharn
34. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Last_King_of_the_Ayleids
35. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Legendary_Sancre_Tor

36. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Lost_Histories_of_Tamriel
37. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Remanada
38. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Song_of_Pelinal,_v_1
39. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Song_of_Pelinal,_v_2
40. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Song_of_Pelinal,_v_3
41. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Song_of_Pelinal,_v_4
42. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Song_of_Pelinal,_v_5
43. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Song_of_Pelinal,_v_6
44. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Song_of_Pelinal,_v_7

45. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Treatise_on_Ayleidic_Cities
46. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Advances_in_Lock_Picking
47. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ayleid_Reference_Text
48. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Bark_and_Sap
49. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Calcinator_Treatise
50. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:De_Rerum_Dirennis
51. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:An_Elytra%27s_Life
52. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:From_Frog_to_Man
53. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Fundaments_of_Alchemy
54. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Heavy_Armor_Repair

55. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:History_of_Lock_Picking
56. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Immortal_Blood
57. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Light_Armor_Repair
58. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Liminal_Bridges
59. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Lithnilian%27s_Research_Notes
60. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Liturgy_of_Affliction
61. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Living_Woods
62. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mace_Etiquette
63. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Magic_from_the_Sky

64. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Manual_of_Armor
65. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Manual_of_Arms
66. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Manual_of_Spellcraft
67. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Manual_of_Xedilian
68. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Predecessors
69. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Proper_Lock_Design
70. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Reality_%26_Other_Falsehoods
71. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Saints_and_Seducers
72. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Shivering_Apothecary

73. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Shivering_Bestiary
74. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Souls,_Black_and_White
75. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Standing_Stones
76. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Varieties_of_Daedra
77. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Way_of_the_Exposed_Palm
78. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Agnar%27s_Journal
79. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Amantius_Allectus%27_Diary
80. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ancotar%27s_Journal
81. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:A_Bloody_Journal
82. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Brenus_Astis%27_Journal

83. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Cap%27n_Dugal%27s_Journal
84. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Cindanwe%27s_Notebook
85. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dar-Ma%27s_Diary
86. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Diary_of_Springheel_Jak
87. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Doors_of_Oblivion
88. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Drothan%27s_Field_Journal
89. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Drothan%27s_Journal
90. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Father_of_the_Niben

91. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Frostcrag_Spire_Memoirs
92. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Gelebourne%27s_Journal
93. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Greywyn%27s_Journal
94. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Grommok%27s_Journal
95. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Journal_of_the_Lord_Lovidicus
96. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Log_of_the_Emma_May
97. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Path_of_Transcendence
98. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ramblings_of_Audens_Avidius
99. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Red_Kitchen_Reader

100. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sacred_Witness
101. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sir_Amiel%27s_Journal
102. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Traelius%27_Journal

103. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Traitor%27s_Diary
104. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Macabre_Manifest
105. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Report:_Disaster_at_Ionith
106. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Warp_in_the_West_(book)
107. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mysterium_Xarxes
108. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tome_of_Unlife
109. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Legend_of_Krately_House
110. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mannimarco,_King_of_Worms
111. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Ravings_of_Fenroy
112. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Song_of_Hrormir
113. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Black_Arts_On_Trial

114. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Myth_or_Menace%3F
115. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:16_Accords_of_Madness,_v._VI
116. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:16_Accords_of_Madness,_v._IX
117. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:16_Accords_of_Madness,_v._XII
118. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Bible_of_the_Deep_Ones
119. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Blessings_of_Sheogorath
120. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Divining_the_Elder_Scolls
121. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Heretical_Thoughts

122. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Modern_Heretics
123. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mythic_Dawn_Commentaries_1
124. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mythic_Dawn_Commentaries_2
125. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mythic_Dawn_Commentaries_3
126. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mythic_Dawn_Commentaries_4
127. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Myths_of_Sheogorath
128. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Opusculus_Lamae_Bal_ta_Mezzamortie
129. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Prophet_Arden-Sul
130. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Shezarr_and_the_Divines
131. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ten_Commands:_Nine_Divines
132. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Trials_of_St._Alessia

133. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Glories_and_Laments
134. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Guide_to_Anvil
135. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Guide_to_Bravil
136. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Guide_to_Bruma
137. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Guide_to_Cheydinhal
138. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Guide_to_Chorrol
139. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Guide_to_the_Imperial_City
140. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Guide_to_Leyawiin
141. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Guide_to_New_Sheoth
142. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Guide_to_Skingrad

I was hoping you'd post this, Seti! I tried to make this point earlier but it wasn't nearly as strong without your evidence.

» Thu May 19, 2011 8:09 am

I don't get why they didn't just use -all- of Daggerfall, Morrowind and Battlespire's books in Oblivion, that's at least 50 unused books like Fools' Ebony which is 6 parts. Also as many of the books change throughout the games like The Real Barenziah which in Daggerfall was 10 copies for example. They could use the old version as rare, valuable "first editions".

I mean, all of Daggerfall's books are stored in .txt files, so it wouldn't be hard. I guess the reason is that Daggerfall's books are sort-of "dirty"-er than OB's. But honestly who cares? sixual themes.. in books?

» Thu May 19, 2011 9:44 am

Maybe they could use the 'radiant story' aspect and some books would trigger a quest of some sort??

» Wed May 18, 2011 11:06 pm

I dont think however its fair to include in your list DLC specific books, or short lists, or atrocities like 'manual of armor', something that belongs in an actual paper manual

In that case, the same pruning should be done for Morrowind. That includes no Tribunal or Bloodmoon books, if you're cutting out "DLC" content (which I don't think is fair, since Tribunal and Bloodmoon, as with KotN and SI, added some nice new lore-rich material). I'm sure other games had its share of useless lists and junk books, so it wouldn't be very fair to prune Oblivion's list and not do the same for the other games.

» Wed May 18, 2011 9:23 pm

What about a book written about me? the dovahkihn, after I finish the main quest!.... it'd actually probably end up being to gimmicky.

Most old books should stay, but some might be gone. it's been 200 years, which actually isn't that long AT ALL.

like, maybe the mages guild had a necromancy book burning or something... IDK

I do want to find some old tattered books, that didn't look like they just got off the printing press.

» Thu May 19, 2011 1:58 am

Most old books should stay, but some might be gone. it's been 200 years, which actually isn't that long AT ALL.

A secret Library probably exists somewhere which contains every book ever written, most likely guarded by a grumpy old Mage and his magic.

The 'Colovian Traders' in Skingrad have a great tome which I'm reading at the moment called 'Children of the Sky', most useful.

» Wed May 18, 2011 10:21 pm

Bethesda should just have a place where you can send them fan fiction and any other writing you think would be appropriate for inclusion. They could have one guy look over the submissions every now and again and add them into the game if they are decent enough. I'm sure the communtiy could generate a ton of books for the game to make bookshelves a bit more varied.

Could be pretty hard to pull off but a great idea nonetheless.

» Thu May 19, 2011 4:50 am

I'm pretty sure that we've been told that as a whole (Dwemer ruins aside.) Skyrim will have less advanced technology than Oblivion, so I doubt that would happen.

[snip}

Selbeth, do you have a source for this claim? I am curious because Skyrim is supposed to be the original settlement area by humans and one would hope they've made some advances. Advances where, due to the recent deterioration of the political climate, one would find technology going backwards rather than forwards and the few "elite/rich/powerful soceity classes" would have access to the most advanced technologies. (I"m not talking space flight etc., but more advances in mechanical devices, say clockwork in origin). I remember the dwemer centruions of MW and would luv to see a way to build one from scrap or some such in the game by using a rare tome written by the dwemer and translated, poorly, by some sage and left in an abandoned, burned down tower cellar. :biggrin:

» Thu May 19, 2011 6:11 am

As long as it isn't like fallout books......ill be fine. but ya more variety would be nice!

» Thu May 19, 2011 7:45 am

But gentlemen, remember that this is the cold, barbaric, viking-inspired North. Of course there are no books there! The only thing people know how to do there is to run around with swords and axes and pillage stuff.
derp

Seriously though, I couldn't care less. I like reading, but I don't play games to read books. I play games to play games. So to me it doesn't matter, as long as there are a few relevant and interesting books here and there.

This.
But I do want the to know the rest of the ABC's for Barbarians, not just A, B, and C! Since we are surrounded by Nords, I think it would make sence to have at least a completed copy of that book.

But I don't read to much in game, I mostly open and close books to see if it's a skill book. But seeing more interesting titles would be nice.

» Wed May 18, 2011 11:19 pm

I hope all old books are available somehow.

But please tons of new ones.

» Wed May 18, 2011 5:36 pm

I'd love to read more from the Lusty? series. Maybe some writings that had been long lost... until now?

The Lusty Argonian Maid II: How Lifts-Her-Tail Got Her Groove Back by Crassius Curio
The Lusty Dunmer Alchemist: Graveyard Confessions by Falanu Hlaalu

:blush:

» Wed May 18, 2011 7:17 pm

in my oppinion add more books but not readable except for books that are involved in the story in some way

» Wed May 18, 2011 10:54 pm

Id like to see all the book from morrowind and oblivion then the new ones for skyrim...

» Thu May 19, 2011 4:48 am

Id like to see all the book from morrowind and oblivion then the new ones for skyrim...

» Thu May 19, 2011 1:20 am

I expect that there will be few if any new books. Books require the sort of creative talent that corporations don't know how to budget for.

As proven by the fact that Oblivion had around a hundred less new books than Morrowind, created by a much larger team. Also, there are parts of Daggerfall which just astound me in the amount of time it must have taken to write some of the dialogue or description when you enter areas. Oblivion does that occasionally, but Daggerfall did it constantly. "You walk into the church...incense hangs in the air. But there is a stillness that does not feel like tranquility. It is the stillness of death."

I don't care so much about the amount as I do the variety. Seeing the same books in every shop/house in Oblivion kinda just made me numb to the idea of even scanning over the books I saw after about 20 hours of game play because I already had an idea of what they were.

So either a- same amount of books, more variety or b- more books, more variety.

Yea. I would actually like to see fewer (numbers) of books, for instance, only 10 copies of each instead of 20, or w/e it was. And that's of course for fairly common books. But if you had 100 different books, I would only want 400 books in game.

» Thu May 19, 2011 2:42 am

some of those books were from daggerfall and maybe arena.
I'd hate to see them go, but then I'd like to see new books as well as the old.