[relz] Never Die! : IV - Oblivion

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:53 am

Cobl's Death handling makes the player essential as part of it's workings. Disabling Never Die won't prevent that because the function is in Cobl.esm, not Never Die.esp.

Sounds like a quest specific bug that needs to be reported to the Cobl team so an exception can be made in that circumstance.

Fortunately, I just bumped the Cobl thread to the top, so it should be easy to find.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:51 am

I finally got around to dying since I've installed this (it was totally on purpose, totally) and it pretty much did what it was supposed to do.

With the following exceptions:
- The gold that was taken from me and redistributed in the containers where I died wasn't split up; 4 or 5 containers each had the total amount of gold that was taken in them, rather than a percentage. This was in a dungeon added by Ayleid Steps, not sure if that makes a difference.

- I found the death chest, recovered everything inside it then let it burn, but the quest is still in my active log, and for some reason the game will occasionally default to it after I complete another quest.

- I thought my game was busted when I first beamed into the Oblivion realm because of the visual effect, which I assume is from this mod (though I'm not sure, SM Bounty also has a knockout effect which I've disabled in it's .ini, but I've never gotten into it a with a guard, so...) if it is this mod, might want to mention that early in the readme, I was pretty freaked out.

Also:
- Running buck naked through an Oblivion realm with two Wyverns, a small army of Scamps and a couple of Xivali for good measure on me was a ton of fun.

(edit: that sounded snarky, but that's not the way I meant it, I was laughing and having fun, definitely keeping this mod, who needs steenking soul beacons! I've got spells and no underwear!)

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» Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:13 pm

Could someone help me out a bit? I?m busy with work and DR release, but I would also like to patch this mod/upload a 1.0 with any fixes needed.

So essentially, I would need a clear list of issues. Showler mentioned the deathhandler doesn?t "auto unregister" as stated in Cobl?s documentation, as in the death handler script doesn?t reset itself if you clean save my plugin. Is this really the case, and does this mean it?s a bug in Cobl?

And so on. I would really appreciate an todo-list of sorts coming from a dedicated user, only fixes to any issues, no requests - for now.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:06 am

Hey all, so I just died, and got the normal death loading screen, so I decide to go to a chapel to see if the altar thing works, and nope. I tried all possible combo's of shift+ctrl, so I know it's not that. I don't have any other mods related to death, after re-reading the readme, I realized that it wasn't supposed to be active until after the tutorial dungeon, but I use an alternative start mod, so I'm not sure if that counts. but anyways, is there something I can do in the console to fix my issue?

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:19 pm

What specific point are you in the main quest? You have to have arrived either in Chorrol or Weynon Priory in order for it to be active.

And if you cleansaved from a previous version, you need to type "set cobMortQ.realDeathLevel to 0" into the console.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:22 pm

What specific point are you in the main quest? You have to have arrived either in Chorrol or Weynon Priory in order for it to be active.

And if you cleansaved from a previous version, you need to type "set cobMortQ.realDeathLevel to 0" into the console.

... oh... thats the problem lol. I didn't know that at all, I guess I missed it in the readme (im horrible with readme's)

well thanks, I was trying to avoid the main-quest, but I guess I'll go ahead and do that part (+ I could use Jaufree's free equipment lol.)

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:03 pm

It's not in the readme because it's the result of some really bizarre scripting by Bethesda. There is a main quest stage 25 which seems like it is meant to be invoked when you leave the sewers, but somehow never is. The quest skips right from stage 20, when Baurus gives you your orders, to stage 30 when you arrive in Chorrol, or stage 40 when you arrive at Weynon Priory.

I'm pretty sure SkyCaptain meant for the mod to check if you were outside the sewers before activating, but because of that bizarre situation the check isn't passed until much later than it should have been.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:51 pm

It's not in the readme because it's the result of some really bizarre scripting by Bethesda. There is a main quest stage 25 which seems like it is meant to be invoked when you leave the sewers, but somehow never is. The quest skips right from stage 20, when Baurus gives you your orders, to stage 30 when you arrive in Chorrol, or stage 40 when you arrive at Weynon Priory.

I'm pretty sure SkyCaptain meant for the mod to check if you were outside the sewers before activating, but because of that bizarre situation the check isn't passed until much later than it should have been.

Thank you Showler! This exact issue was occuring with me as well, but I gave it up to the thought that I had done something wron.
So that's why it randomly started working on arrival to Chorrol... Haha.

That would be nice to have in the Readme or OP. ;p

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:54 pm

It's not in the readme because it's the result of some really bizarre scripting by Bethesda. There is a main quest stage 25 which seems like it is meant to be invoked when you leave the sewers, but somehow never is. The quest skips right from stage 20, when Baurus gives you your orders, to stage 30 when you arrive in Chorrol, or stage 40 when you arrive at Weynon Priory.

I'm pretty sure SkyCaptain meant for the mod to check if you were outside the sewers before activating, but because of that bizarre situation the check isn't passed until much later than it should have been.

Would it be possible to change this check to another condition? I mean, the mod works in my game beautifully, but I play - and enjoy - http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=25591. Often I play for many hours before I trigger the main quest, and get the task of delivering the amulet to Jauffree. And I know there are other mods out there that give the player that choice.

Perhaps making the mod check for one of the tutorial quests, like the persuasion wheel? That seems to come up on every game I've played, regardless of the alternative start mod.

Not complaining or demanding, just a suggestion. That very small inconvenience aside, this is one of the coolest mods I've played. Thanks for making it.

~ Dani ~

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:42 pm

The load screen that pops up when you normally die is still popping up. I have cobl and everything installed.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:43 pm

The load screen that pops up when you normally die is still popping up. I have cobl and everything installed.

You have to have arrived either in Chorrol or Weynon Priory in order for it to be active.

Read some of the above posts, they answer your question.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:05 pm

Yes it worked, I didn't even realize I didn't start the main quest haha.
This is my favorite and third most essential mod after OOO and alternate start THANK YOU! I've literally been waiting for this since I started playing video games.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:18 pm

....Bumb? :bolt:

Anyway, I got a bug with the mod, its working and all, but when I die I′m not getting back to the last place slept, it just tosses me somewhere out in the cell where you normally cant get too... :unsure:

I set it to NOT wake up in an oblivion gate as its almost impossible to get out with FCOM.

EDIT; typo

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:30 am

BUG

- If you have it set up where no equipment/gold is taken all your clothes still get unequipped when you die. Its a bit of a pain to have to re-equip all my stuff when I didn't lose any of it.

Request

I have edited the mod myself to do this, but its a bit odd. I would like it so that when you die you are transported to the nearest inn or guild house.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:31 pm

Bug: For some reason when i set my soulbeaconloss chances to 0 I still lose my equipment and gold the game seems to use the normal death settings for a beacon deaths.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:48 pm

I could not for the life of me recall the name of this mod, who made it, etc. Finally found it, bumping for great justice (I recall it being a lot of fun).

No activity in a while, is this pretty much final then? (I havent played Oblivion in a long while, just getting around to installing on my new box)

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:51 pm

Why I never noticed this? It is about a year or so I am looking for a mod like this, but I found only buggy or incomplete things.
Downloading right now.