Only the Aedra. The Daedric Princes are not as susceptible to the beliefs of mortals, as they exist outside of Mundus.

The Dwemer believed in the gods. They just did not worship them.

The best way to illustrate that is that the Aldmer peoples have been viewing Akatosh as Auriel, a destroyer-god, for as long as they've been around, but unlike the Nords they see it as a good thing that the world will end. Meanwhile to the Nords Akatosh as Alduin will do the same thing and is considered an evil being. Neither are truly right, he's just a tired, hungry old Dragon who's in the mood for some Kalpa.

See, all myths are true in TES precisely because they are myths, even when they are mutually exclusive. So if your Drocopomorphic Personification of Time is seen as a destroyer, then so he shall be. The hitch in the details is that this time around, one of his personifications is a preserver. That's never happened before, to my knowledge.

Since we like Tamriel, and are likely playing as inhabitants who agree, that means from our perspective Alduin succeeding is a bad thing. However, the Thalmor would love it.

hm, well i believe the Daedric god's are tricking all the mortals into thinking they are gods. They could be the same as the "tribunal" but on a much larger scale. It's all literature in TES that provides the Tamrielians with facts about the beginning of days, and there's no way to be sure.

lore says the Sun in TES is actually magic leaking through a hole in the sky, In MY game its a big burning ball of plasma, and the Tamrielians are just ignorant.

So absolute personifications of abstract concepts don't count as gods in your book?

And the sun is a hole into Aetherius. Where else would the magic come from? It's folly to try and inject the real world into fantasy, and TES is a fantasy as it gets, being it is in a universe where the stars are literally "pinholes in the curtain of night," Time is a dragon, the moons are a dead gods's rotting body, and there is no such thing as matter, replaced entirely by varying gradients of mythology.

it's not a folly, it's just whatever i make of the fantasy.

magic can come from the mudcrabs in my vision of TES, it's all made up

EDIT: there WAS something supernatural about that Merchant Mudcrab....

EDIT 2.0: if magic DID come from the mudcrabs (or any other alternative explanation), it would make sense that the Tamerilians would try to make sense of it some other way (i.e. make up and believe literature)

So... reality with swords and magic?

sure... why not?

p.s. swords are already in reality

Please be careful not to make real world religious comments in this thread as doing so can result in warnings and suspensions. Thanks.

I could try and say that by ignoring the mechanics that make up the plot you ignore both the plot and the central theme of the series (being "love is the path to trancendence"), but I get the feeling that attempting to put sense here would be like trying to make a brick wall subtle. And as for the mudcrab thing, if you have that poor an idea on how stories work, who am I to keep you making a fool of yourself? All this thread is doing is proving the old saw about "opening your mouth and proving it."

And does it make you feel smart to point out the obvious? It just makes me feel obvious.

making up my own plot is a chore mechanic of RPGs (the RP part)... and it's more part of the lore... not part of the plot (i guess the lore is part of the plot, but saying that the daedric gods are tricking everyone doesn't really create a plot hole or anything).

as for what you added to your post about the mudcrabs, i was just using a ridiculous example to make a point. I've never tried to make sense of the magic I could make up a 100 reasons for it, but i like to create the idea of the Daedra tricking everyone.

and no, i wasn't trying to feel smart, but rather to belittle your argument... but yeah it did kind of make me feel smarter than you no lie :cookie: if it was obvious... why'd you put it in?

So wait, the necessary fact that Lorkhan made the world being a trick doesn't invalidate the entire plot of Morrowind? You're just a barrel of laughs. No wonder nobody can take you seriously.

If you knew what the plot was and required, you wouldn't have said any of that.

There could be other explanations for the quest of Morrowind... Lorkhan's heart could have been made artificially, by... IDK some kind of magic or Dwemer invention

it's a RPG fantasy game man. I take it kinda seriously but not nearly as much as you. I'm not tellling you you have to believe it. you can believe what you want.

I'm glad to know you get together with other forum goers and discuss me and whether i can be taken seriously though

First I come to the thread and rid it of real world religion discussion. Not I return to check for that and fine flamebait and flames.

Time to put this one to rest. I suggest you all do some reading in the lore section.