IC Market District bug : IV

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:24 pm

Hi,

I've just re-installed Oblivion and all my many mods (including FCOM). All's running fine except I've hit a bug I've not seen before:

First one shop in the IC Market District (Divine Elegance) and now two (The Best Defense) have started staying shut during the day. If I go back to earlier saves they're opening normally, so I'm guessing it's not a mod conflict - and anyway, I've added no new mods since before the problem started.

If I unlock the doors and go in, the owners are missing (well, only Mario Rufus is missing in The Best Defense). Knowing a little about the infamous bug created by the Frostcrag Tower DLC mod, I guessed that the NPC's have got misplaced by the game so can't go through their shop-opening routine. But if I use their Ref ID's to move them to the player, they just wander off into the Imperial City.

I wouldn't worry too much - I could just go back to an earlier save before the problem arose - but since the bug has spread from one to two shops, I'm worried it will reappear and spread further.

Has anyone seen this bug before and have any idea how to fix it? For example, how can I get the shop-owner NPC to switch from wander mode to shop-running mode?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:54 am

I'm not running any mods that change the two shop keepers in question, apart from adding ShaiyaOutfit to Divine Elegance and Alternative_Light_Armors to The Best Defense. The latter I've been using for years with no problems. And surely if it was the mods, the problem would occur immediately after they were installed, not develop over time. Hmm...

I am using latest Unnofficial Patch and a Bashed Patch. I wonder if combining the lists in the Bashed Patch might be confusing the shop keepers in some way? I have to admit, I've never fully understood the options in Wrye Bash. I just followed the FCOM instructions and enjoyed the game stability that results.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:10 am

Damn.

I went back to an earlier save - where the shops were running normally - but the bug came back after a couple of game days. Divine Elegance is still fine, but The Best Defense has lost Mario Rufus again and stays shut all the time.

I'm guessing that the problem lies with Mario Rufus' AI. He's wandering off and not running his shop routine. Can anyone tell me if that's right? And, if so, how can I re-set Rufus back to his correct AI routine?

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:05 pm

And again. Drat it.

I went back to an earlier save - were the shops were working fine - and played for a couple of days. Then The Best Defense stopped opening again. Does anyone have any idea what might be causing this?

Here's my load order of mods - can anyone see one that might screw-up Mario Rufus's AI?

Oblivion.esm
Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
FCOM_Convergence.esm
DremoraCompanion.esm
Better Cities Resources.esm
bookplacing.esm
BathingMod_Base.esm
cssBase.esm
CM Partners.esm
HorseCombatMaster.esm
bookplacing.esp
TNR - ALL RACES FINAL.esp
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Better Cities .esp
Fra.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
FCOM_Francescos.esp
FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp
FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp
HBM.esp
weather inside [seasons] v1.2.esp
WindowLightingSystem.esp
Book Jackets Oblivion - BP.esp
VanityCameraSmoother.esp
ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
DID3_DoubleTrouble.esp
P1DseeYouSleep.esp
RAEVWD Cities.esp
RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp
RAEVWD Imperial City.esp
VA_BetterGold.esp
Living Economy.esp
Living Economy - Items.esp
Cutthroat Merchants.esp
moDem's City Life.esp
Crowded Cities 15.esp
Map Marker Overhaul.esp
Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp
P1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp
MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
Alternative_Light_Armors-3931.esp
It's A Wig!.esp
Reznod_Mannequin_HD[Eng].esp
ShaiyaOutfit.esp
StockClothingArmor-forExnems.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp
Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
FCOM_BobsArmory.esp
Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
FCOM_WarCry.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
OOO-Water_Weeds.esp
OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp
FCOM_Convergence.esp
FCOM_RealSwords.esp
FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp
FCOM_SaferRoads.esp
FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp
FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp
FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp
FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp
FCOM_Archery.esp
FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp
FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp
FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp
OOO-WaterFish.esp
KvatchAftermath.esp
JolardHome.esp
JSRandomTasks.esp
Corpse_Kvatch.esp
LetThePeopleDrink.esp
Scribe Supplies.esp
Slof's Oblivion Goth Shop II.esp
TheElderCouncil.esp
TheElderCouncil_TempleOfTheOne.esp
VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
MoreArenaSpectators.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCfrostcrag.esp
Knights.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
RTT.esp
The Lost Spires.esp
The Soul of Ilithiel.esp
Origin of the Mages Guild.esp
TheNecromancer.esp
MannimarcoRevisited.esp
MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp
MannimarcoWardrobeChest.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp
FCOM_Knights.esp
Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
ElsweyrAnequina.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
KvatchAftermath-EntiusGorge compatibility patch.esp
TheNecromancer-EntiusGorge patch.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp
xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
xulChorrolHinterland.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulImperialIsle.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
xulAspenWood.esp
xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
Harvest [Flora].esp
Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp
ImmersiveWait.esp
Leviathan Soulgems.esp
Cheaper Recharge.esp
P1DkeyChain.esp
PersuasionOverhaul.esp
ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp
Enhanced Vegetation [125%].esp
StarX Vampire Deaths.esp
vn_goldweight.esp
Quest Award Leveller.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp
BathingMod_Soap.esp
BathingMod_Bathroom_Upgrades.esp
BathingMod_Placeable_Bathtubs.esp
SM Encumbrance and Fatigue.esp
RealisticForceHigh.esp
PC Sleep Disrober.esp
Advanced Mark & Recall.esp
Friendly Fire.esp
Mark & Recall.esp
SetEssentialActors.esp
EnchantmentRestore.esp
EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp
RenGuardOverhaul.esp
RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp
Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block and 2.5x damage.esp
DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp
Kobu's Personality Enhancer.esp
Kobu's Health Modifier Mod.esp
Kobu's 2x Slower Jack-of-All-Trades Mod.esp
Kobu's Cure for Fatigue Mod.esp
Francesco's Slower skills x3.esp
OOO-Level_Slow.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts.esp
Soya 4 Hair Pack - English.esp
DemonRace.esp
DremoraFemales.esp
CM Partners.esp
CM Partners NPC.esp
CM Partners NPC NE.esp
CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
cssCalisto.esp
cssIrenicus.esp
DremoraCompanion.esp
Better Cities Full.esp
Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
Better Imperial City.esp
Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp
Francesco's day lenght rescale 1-12.esp
Improved Lava.esp
Visual Enchantments v1.0.esp
LightSpellWhite.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Streamline 3.1.esp
Movement and Travel v1.1b.esp
PrimaryNeeds135.esp
top_tower.esp
Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.51 DT.esp
KvatchAftermathMQPatch.esp
Better Looking Redguards.esp
Kismet Companion.esp
ElsweyrAnequina - Races HGEC-Robert.esp
xulSnowdale.esp

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:34 pm

OK.

I've found a rather rough and nasty fix for the problem: I toggle Moro Rufus' AI off while the shop is open, then toggle it back on when I want to buy something later in the game. That way he is prevented from wandering and not coming back when the shop closes, and he seems to be functioning normally each time I 'wake him up'.

I don't like mucking with the AI - I've read that it can have long-term effects on the game - but I can't find the cause of the bug. Nor will this 'fix' prevent the bug spreading to other shops - as it originally did, going from Divine Elegance on to The Best Defense. I can't go round TAI-ing every shop-keeper in the game.

Please, does any modding expert out there have any better ideas?

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:50 am

To start with you have posted this in the wrong forum and then you can remove these mods safely.

UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp - is already included in UOPOblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp - is not necessary to have in your LO

You should use http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1144393-relz-boss-better-oblivion-sorting-software/ to sort out your loadorder and move the bashed patch to end of the LO.

I also suggest that you should read all guides there is on http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/ for more information. :read:

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:46 pm

In one of the recent UOP Supplemental releases, Maro Rufus and Varnado both got AI fixes to allow them to execute part of their routines that weren't being accessed. The shop should never be completely deserted, but one of them will leave to go for a stroll in the Arboretum, and the other goes to the temple. If they're both gone at the same time then something in your load list has interfered with their AI. Since you're having trouble with Divine Elegance as well, that suggests perhaps a broader issue.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:18 pm

- Thanks Leonardo2 - although since it was the UOP that installed both those mods (from its OMOD) I'm not too certain about deleting them. I do use BOSS, but of course, you're right that I should have moved the BASHED patch to the end of the Load Order. I'll also have a read of TESIV:POSItive.

- And thank you Arthmoor. I've de-activated the UOP Supplimental mod, since I figure that any fixes it provides won't be worth the bug created by Maro Rufus wandering off.

I'll update when I've got news. Thanks again.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:58 pm

- Thanks Leonardo2 - although since it was the UOP that installed both those mods (from its OMOD) I'm not too certain about deleting them. I do use BOSS, but of course, you're right that I should have moved the BASHED patch to the end of the Load Order. I'll also have a read of TESIV:POSItive.

I'll update when I've got news. Thanks again.

You're welcome.

You can deactive these two mods in Wrye Bash or you can uninstall the omod and reinstall it, but not select these two mods upon a reinstallation. :user:

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:39 am

Something going funky with this Maro Rufus for sure. He never goes back to the shop once he leaves. I've tried waiting through a couple months worth of in-game cell resets and he never goes back to the market district. Ever. Vernardo seems to work fine, but not Rufus.

According to TESEDIT, the only thing affecting him is the UOP. Here's my LO though.

Spoiler

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» Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:37 pm

Something going funky with this Maro Rufus for sure. He never goes back to the shop once he leaves. I've tried waiting through a couple months worth of in-game cell resets and he never goes back to the market district. Ever. Vernardo seems to work fine, but not Rufus.

According to TESEDIT, the only thing affecting him is the UOP.

I fixed the problem by going back to an earlier save, before Rufus went walkabout, and then disabled the UOP Supplimental mod. He's been as good as gold ever since.

Hope this helps.