Sudden Random Crashing! : IV

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:18 am

I hate to start yet another problem thread so soon, but this issue has just popped up, and I don't know how to fix it!

My character is currently in the first plane of Oblivion, the one related to the Breaking the Siege of Kvatch quest, and I had no problems there so far until now; Suddenly, the game is highly unstable and will just randomly crash at any moment, mostly after reloading a save. There just doesn't seem to be a specific trigger however.

I thought it was save game related, but loading an earlier save, and heading to same area doesn't seem to resolve anything.

My load-order list, which I recently adjusted prior to this issue, and might be involved:

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Oblivion.esm
TR_OoT_Main.esm
You Are Here.esm
Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
Cobl Main.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
CM Partners.esm
Easy_Companion_Share.esm
Younger Hotter NPC's v1.0.esp
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
AliveWaters.esp
AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp
AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp
Added Realistic NPC's v1.0.esp
Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp
Fatality Cam.esp
P1DseeYouSleep.esp
Purge Cell Buffers - Loading.esp
SI Living Economy.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
AyleidMeteorIronWeaponsBASE.esp
AlternativeLightArmors12.esp
Battledress.esp
ClassyClothingCompendium.esp
DaedricCrescentBlade.esp
LootableLichHelm_Hvy.esp
Rogue Sun's Blood Lust Dress.esp
SickleIrons_RT.esp
SilverwareWeapons.esp
VA_DaedricPriestessArmour.esp
LeatherHunterArmour.esp
Daedric Lord Armor.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
Francesco's Optional Files 1.esp
Francesco's Optional Files 2.esp
Francesco's Optional Files 3.esp
kuerteeWanderingEncounters.esp
Ivellon.esp
AyleidArrows.esp
Fort Baltsine.esp
OldCrowInn.esp
RuinsOfBrenfa.esp
Spear_of_Bitter_Mercy.esp
sunk ships.esp
The Ayleid Steps.esp
TR_Stirk.esp
VOILA - Soldiers of Empire.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
Knights.esp
The Lost Spires.esp
ElsweyrAnequina.esp
Faregyl.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulAspenWood.esp
Moriarcis.esp
Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
Harvest [Flora].esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp
Bag of Holding.esp
Cliff's Shacks Basemants-Radiant AI.esp
DS Less Predictable Respawn.esp
fadingtorches v1.3b.esp
M.O.E. - Lycanthropy and Lichcraft.esp
P1DkeyChain.esp
persuasioncompatable1.8.esp
Quest Award Leveller.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp
RealisticForceMedium.esp
SetEssentialActors.esp
SupremeMagicka.esp
SM_ShiveringIsles.esp
Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp
attack and hide medium v2.1.esp
Deadlier Traps.esp
sycHearNoEvil.esp
Enhanced Grabbing.esp
SamVimes's Feint Death.esp
actors_in_charge.esp
Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp
Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp
Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp
CM Partners.esp
CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
ArianaTrudeaux.esp
Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.esp
SPAWN.esp
Get Wet - just droplets.esp
Shining Creatures.esp
Capucine'sEyeSelection.esp
Nightshade_Armor_ConflictFree.esp
Alkwynd.esp
Sunken Chapel.esp
RTBlackEveningDress.esp
PTActorsCare.esp
PTFallingStars.esp
DarknessHollows.esp
Streetvendors.esp
BFG's Enhanced Armory.esp
Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for Fran.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Fran's leveled quests.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp

And also, a log from the weOCPS file:

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Sat Nov 20 22:48:15 2010 OCPS build 2009-03-28 prevented crash at offset 0x0012d448 (eip: 0x0052d448, sub_52D2C0). Link to 0x00000268 is faulty!
eax=00000001 ebx=00000000 ecx=00000004 edx=00000099 esi=00000005 edi=00000000 esp=0012ea50 ebp=0012ec50

Sat Nov 20 22:48:15 2010 OCPS build 2009-03-28 prevented crash at offset 0x0007ae0e (eip: 0x0047ae0e, sub_47AC20). Link to 0x0000001c is faulty!
eax=00000000 ebx=02714a70 ecx=78e9b68f edx=00000099 esi=18c73a94 edi=1cb77248 esp=0012ec14 ebp=00000002

Sat Nov 20 22:48:15 2010 OCPS build 2009-03-28 prevented crash at offset 0x0012d448 (eip: 0x0052d448, sub_52D2C0). Link to 0x00000268 is faulty!
eax=00000001 ebx=00000000 ecx=00000004 edx=00000099 esi=00000005 edi=00000000 esp=0012ea50 ebp=0012ec50

Sat Nov 20 22:48:15 2010 OCPS build 2009-03-28 prevented crash at offset 0x0007ae0e (eip: 0x0047ae0e, sub_47AC20). Link to 0x0000001c is faulty!
eax=00000000 ebx=031f45e8 ecx=78e9b68f edx=00000099 esi=18c73a94 edi=1d37ae84 esp=0012ec14 ebp=00000002

Sat Nov 20 22:48:15 2010 OCPS build 2009-03-28 prevented crash at offset 0x0012d448 (eip: 0x0052d448, sub_52D2C0). Link to 0x00000274 is faulty!
eax=00000001 ebx=00000000 ecx=00000005 edx=0000009c esi=00000006 edi=00000000 esp=0012ea50 ebp=0012ec50

Sat Nov 20 22:48:15 2010 OCPS build 2009-03-28 prevented crash at offset 0x0007ae0e (eip: 0x0047ae0e, sub_47AC20). Link to 0x0000001c is faulty!
eax=00000000 ebx=031d3cc0 ecx=78e9b68f edx=0000009c esi=18c73a94 edi=1d246a44 esp=0012ec14 ebp=00000003

Sat Nov 20 22:48:15 2010 OCPS build 2009-03-28 prevented crash at offset 0x0012d448 (eip: 0x0052d448, sub_52D2C0). Link to 0x0000028c is faulty!
eax=00000001 ebx=00000000 ecx=00000007 edx=000000a2 esi=00000008 edi=00000000 esp=0012ea50 ebp=0012ec50

Sat Nov 20 22:48:15 2010 OCPS build 2009-03-28 prevented crash at offset 0x0007ae0e (eip: 0x0047ae0e, sub_47AC20). Link to 0x0000001c is faulty!
eax=00000000 ebx=02734d40 ecx=78e9b68f edx=000000a2 esi=18c73a94 edi=1c69c340 esp=0012ec14 ebp=00000005

Sat Nov 20 22:48:15 2010 OCPS build 2009-03-28 prevented crash at offset 0x0012d448 (eip: 0x0052d448, sub_52D2C0). Link to 0x00000268 is faulty!
eax=00000001 ebx=00000000 ecx=00000004 edx=00000099 esi=00000005 edi=00000000 esp=0012ea50 ebp=0012ec50

Sat Nov 20 22:48:15 2010 OCPS build 2009-03-28 prevented crash at offset 0x0007ae0e (eip: 0x0047ae0e, sub_47AC20). Link to 0x0000001c is faulty!
eax=00000000 ebx=02892868 ecx=78e9b68f edx=00000099 esi=18c73a94 edi=1d3fbd58 esp=0012ec14 ebp=00000002

Sat Nov 20 22:48:15 2010 OCPS build 2009-03-28 prevented crash at offset 0x0012d448 (eip: 0x0052d448, sub_52D2C0). Link to 0x0000028c is faulty!
eax=00000001 ebx=00000000 ecx=00000007 edx=000000a2 esi=00000008 edi=00000000 esp=0012ea50 ebp=0012ec50

Sat Nov 20 22:48:15 2010 OCPS build 2009-03-28 prevented crash at offset 0x0007ae0e (eip: 0x0047ae0e, sub_47AC20). Link to 0x0000001c is faulty!
eax=00000000 ebx=02921c10 ecx=78e9b68f edx=000000a2 esi=18c73a94 edi=1c7239d0 esp=0012ec14 ebp=00000005

Wed Nov 24 18:37:25 2010 OCPS build 2009-03-28 prevented crash at offset 0x0018b246 (eip: 0x0058b246, sub_58B220). Invalid _this_ pointer: 0x1835f6e4 (vtbl: 0x00000000)!
eax=0012f5c0 ebx=0f0371f8 ecx=1835f6e4 edx=00b32b80 esi=2e009f00 edi=0f030bd0 esp=0012f588 ebp=1835f6e4

Wed Nov 24 21:43:31 2010 OCPS build 2009-03-28 prevented crash at offset 0x0018b246 (eip: 0x0058b246, sub_58B220). Invalid _this_ pointer: 0x1cf92940 (vtbl: 0x225fb580)!
eax=0012f5c0 ebx=0f03a240 ecx=1cf92940 edx=00b32b80 esi=2e00a100 edi=0f02f558 esp=0012f588 ebp=1cf92940

Fri Nov 26 19:47:45 2010 OCPS build 2009-03-28 prevented crash at offset 0x0018b246 (eip: 0x0058b246, sub_58B220). Invalid _this_ pointer: 0x0e0d8d8c (vtbl: 0x00000000)!
eax=0012f61c ebx=0e0d8d8c ecx=0e0d8d8c edx=00581a10 esi=18a3761c edi=00000000 esp=0012f5e4 ebp=0e0d8d8c

Fri Dec 03 22:20:04 2010 OCPS build 2009-03-28 prevented crash at offset 0x0001e232 (eip: 0x0041e232, BaseExtraList::GetExtraData). Invalid _THIS_ pointer: 0x181d99c0 (vtbl: 0x20bb53fc)
eax=00000800 ebx=00000000 ecx=181d99c0 edx=00a6fc9c esi=181d99c0 edi=190263dc esp=0012f3d4 ebp=00000000

Fri Dec 03 22:58:16 2010 OCPS build 2009-03-28 prevented crash at offset 0x0001e232 (eip: 0x0041e232, BaseExtraList::GetExtraData). Invalid _THIS_ pointer: 0x1843a1fc (vtbl: 0x213c1418)
eax=00000e00 ebx=00000000 ecx=1843a1fc edx=00a6fc9c esi=1843a1fc edi=19011fd0 esp=0012f3d4 ebp=00000000

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:29 am

bumping

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:03 am

Only thing I can suggest is, never reload while inside an oblivion plane. They tend to lose their 'anchor' to Tamriel that way, and you can become stuck in the whiteness after you retrieve the sigil stone.
Try disabling mods until you find a culprit, half by half of your mods loaded each time.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:55 pm

Thanks for the advice. I just don't know what's going on

I really haven't installed too many new mods. I just had a crash right now after being killed in game. This was on the fourth death actually, was in a hard battle.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:17 pm

One last bump for now. I'll test my game now to check if the problem persists outside of the Oblivion realm. Never had a single crash before this all started

EDIT: Well, this is interesting, running around in the testing-hall I have come across no crashes.
EDIT2: Hmm, just had a crash now. This was in the Oblivion Realm, and the playtime was much less then the test run. It would seem that this problem is related to the Oblivion Region.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:24 pm

Get rid of Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp. There have been numerous reports of bugs in it. Consider http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1140299-relz-weather-all-natural-thread-30/page__p__16670584__fromsearch__1&#entry16670584.

Have you tried running BOSS on your setup to help achieve a better loading order?

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:10 pm

Get rid of Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp. There have been numerous reports of bugs in it. Consider http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1140299-relz-weather-all-natural-thread-30/page__p__16670584__fromsearch__1&#entry16670584.

Have you tried running BOSS on your setup to help achieve a better loading order?

I have been using Natural Weather for a long time, with the fixed ESP. The problems I've read seem to occur with HDR lighting on, which I don't use. I'm quite positive it's not related. And yeah, I run BOSS frequently.

I've narrowed down the problem to be related to the Oblivion Plane's Interior cells. The outside regions ran flawlessly with no crashes. I don't think I have any mods that alter the Oblivion Realm tho.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:07 am

Are you running Oblivion Stutter Remover. That gives me crashes in the Oblivion planes.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:31 pm

Are you running Oblivion Stutter Remover. That gives me crashes in the Oblivion planes.

Why yes, yes I am!

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:54 pm

Why yes, yes I am!

What are your OSR settings? If you've got Master\bReplaceHeap set to 3 or 5, try setting it to 1.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:10 pm

Well, you can test if it is, indeed, giving you crashes by removing it temporarily from the Plugins folder.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:13 pm

I have been using Natural Weather for a long time, with the fixed ESP. The problems I've read seem to occur with HDR lighting on, which I don't use. I'm quite positive it's not related. And yeah, I run BOSS frequently.

Just wait until Oblivion freezes over (no, seriously, I've had snow in Oblivion realms way back when I using this mod).

Enhanced Weather or All Natural are what you want nowadays, Natural Weather is really old. So old, in fact, it's one of the only weather mods out there that still supports Bloom lighting. The only plugin I'd recommend leaving in your game from Natural Environments is Natural Habitat (for the birdies :mohawk: ).

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:58 am

Actually I was thinking of downloading All Natural

It's already got Natural Weather incorporated anyway.
I'll see what happens if I remove OSR.
EDIT: Nope, nothing

However I did notice that game keeps crashing at one specific area; In the Corridors of Dark Salvation, if I open the locked door (The one that requires the Sigil Key) and walk up the hall, the game will always crash at that point. If I use COC and enter the testing hall, everything seems fine, no crashing.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:56 pm

bump

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:24 am

Try disabling mods until you find a culprit, half by half of your mods loaded each time.

bump

Does the crashing still occur with all your mods disabled? Have you been able to narrow it down at all?

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:53 pm

Getting on that now. I'll start by deactivating all mods that aren't merged into my Bashed Patch.
EDIT: Well this is quite strange. If I walk up the hall I can see a Flame Atronach. If I don't load my game, there's no crash. However, if I save in that area, and reload, the game will crash when approaching the Flame Atronach.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:18 pm

Sounds like a bad spawn to me. You could try waiting for a respawn before entering the tower and see if that helps.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:33 pm

Actually I was thinking of downloading All Natural

It's already got Natural Weather incorporated anyway.
I'll see what happens if I remove OSR.
EDIT: Nope, nothing

However I did notice that game keeps crashing at one specific area; In the Corridors of Dark Salvation, if I open the locked door (The one that requires the Sigil Key) and walk up the hall, the game will always crash at that point. If I use COC and enter the testing hall, everything seems fine, no crashing.

Cant't say if it's related to your problem, but I do remember that somehow, back in my last character, Shining Creatures gave-me CTD at some points of oblivion realm - only when entering new areas passing by doors. Note that it's not the general CTD, only passing by doors, when the game need to load a new area of Oblivion. After (and inside) these critical loadareas I always could reenable it with no problem.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:31 pm

Well, I think it might be Shining Creatures. I did notice that on reloading, the Flame Atronach gets brighter. I'll have to wait for a respawn and try again.
Edit: Well, looks like the problems solved. I disabled Shining Creatures and the crashing stopped. Shame, it was a good mod.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:07 am

I've got some random crashing of my own that I really didn't want to start a new thread for.

Here's the load order:

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.8.0]02  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp03  TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp04  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.3]05  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]06  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp07  DLCShiveringIsles.esp08  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]09  Better Cities .esp0A  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.9]0B  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.6.1]0C  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.9]0D  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.3]0E  Streamline.311.esp0F  DLCHorseArmor.esp10  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]11  DLCVileLair.esp12  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]13  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp14  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]15  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]16  DLCThievesDen.esp17  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]18  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]19  DLCFrostcrag.esp1A  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1B  Knights.esp1C  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]1D  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1E  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]1F  xulTheHeath.esp20  XulEntiusGorge.esp21  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]22  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]23  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]24  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]25  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]26  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]27  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]28  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]29  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]2A  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]2B  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]2C  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]2D  xulPantherRiver.esp2E  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]2F  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]30  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]31  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]32  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]33  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]34  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]35  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0]36  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.8.1]37  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.7.0]38  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 4.7.0]39  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 4.8.1]3A  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 4.8.1]3B  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp  [Version 4.7.0]3C  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.8.1]3D  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.8.1]3E  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 4.8.1]3F  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.8.1]40  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I'm running the OCPS, and OSR with very conservative settings.
important system specs:
windows 7 ultimate 64 bit
core i7 950
nvidia gtx 580
6gb ddr3 1600mhz

I am running obse_loader and oblivion.exe with windows xp sp2 compatibility mode and running them as an administrator

I started a new game with these mods enabled and progressed until the first fight with a zombie. I have a save at the beginning of that room. Loading that save, i can fight the zombie, but around that time the game will crash.

Running obse_loader in vista compatibility mode bought me some time, running it without compatibility decreases the time until crash.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:53 am

Well, your mod list doesn't seem too large, so I suggest disabling all of them, starting a new game, and testing. If you don't have any crashes, activate a few mods, and test again, etc etc.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:44 pm

Suddenly, the game is highly unstable and will just randomly crash at any moment, mostly after reloading a save. There just doesn't seem to be a specific trigger however.

Harvest [Flora].esp

I've narrowed down the problem to be related to the Oblivion Plane's Interior cells. The outside regions ran flawlessly with no crashes. I don't think I have any mods that alter the Oblivion Realm tho.

Try updating http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2037 version which fixed the problem with the harrada root causing crashes in oblivion relams.

Also Your Frans and MMM Setup is not correctl has you are not supposed to merge the frans file ..Read MMM for Frans setup once again in the MMM thread..

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:53 am

Also Your Frans and MMM Setup is not correctl has you are not supposed to merge the frans file ..Read MMM for Frans setup once again in the MMM thread..

Really? I had no idea. Could you please elaborate more?

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:54 am

Really? I had no idea. Could you please elaborate more?

See the Francesco and MMM Install part of the opening post in http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1116296-relz-martsmonstermod37b3-public-release-3-relz/ (scroll down).

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:21 pm

Alright, thanks!