Need help cutting down Mods list : IV

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:44 pm

:foodndrink: After getting an i5/GTX470 system which can actually (finally!) run Oblivion properly as well as a healthy supply I mods I rather went into overkill. By which I'm talking something in the range of 400~ mods. Since then I've taken the jack to the stack and I've broken it down to something close to 280. I believe 255 was the limit on mods?
So I'm still trying to eat away from the list but given I've never used them, but like the look of them, its proving difficult. This isn't a loading order so that doesn't have to be worried about, but this IS a list of all the mods I still have lined up (with the exclusion of apps like Wyre Bash and the assorted Unique Landscapes Mods).

If anyone could tell me if any of these are just outright BAD, don't cooperate with the rest, or have problems that might spoil them, I'd love as much feedback as I can get. Just take a look and see if there's anything you hate~

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Francesco's Leveled Creatures/Items modModular Oblivion EnhancedHeart of the Dead - questlineMyths and Legends 2Shadowcrest Vineyard COBLVampire Resort and Tunnel SystemCastle HighrockSupreme Magicka (Update) beaming sunglareThe Talon of AkatoshGuild Item OwnershipRobes of the SeraphimHaunted House Detailed TerrainTown Ceremonial ArmorBravil sea domes Caius CosadesAyleid FiringaMilkshake's Guard ModPrincess Sheogorath PalaceWizard's VengeanceArmageddon Mannimarco Resurrection: Light and DarkThe Nazarian LibraryThe Old Crow Inn Alluring Potion and wine Bottles for OOOArrows of the Ayleid KingBanes Guilds UnitedHappyhannah's Time WastingA Provost of the Nine DivinesKafei's Better Amulet ReplacerBank of CyrodiilMC's Staff Pack Elven Map ReduxBattle for Morrowind Castle KnightstoneNic-V's Better Beggars (NBB)Shrine of SithisBlades Ceremonial ArmourDarNified UI Extra Robe PackMultitude of Magecraft AEVWD or MTAEVWDSilent Stones Camp and CaveThe Ayleid StepsDrokks Vampire ModUnderground City Tears of the Fiend Risky Inn BedsAylied Baths Real LavaGrimbots DLC Book jacketsBook Jackets oblivionCity Stealth Exits Q More and Moldy IngrediantsWoodland RangersDress Ranking Guards No Psychic GuardsPersonality Idles Harvest ContainersVermillion and Silverthorn RobesCyrodiil Transport NetworkThe Brandy Maker questFirst Person Sitting PerspectiveArtifacts of Tamriel 300Doom Stones ExpandedWindfall Open CitiesKraganir's Death Quest v2 Verna House Bloodlines Custom Spell IconsThe Dungeons of Ivellon The blackwood company Dungeon Actors Have TorchesDragon CastleHorse Armor RevampedBandit HideoutsGet WetHouse Map Markers ModGive Mehrunes' Razor to MartinMoriarcis; City of the dead Shadowy HoodsBomret's Texture Pack - Shivering IslesConfession BoothCurse of Hircine Mithril and Orcish Weapon SetsReznod Mannequins Mod Companion Share and Recruit Oblivion Stutter RemovalOperation Optimisation Ship Wrecks Enhanced Magical Visual Effects Multiple Creature SummoningRealistic Ragdolls and Force Breaking in in the Arcane University Bartholm Damarask Harvest Flora The Full Gray FoxMap Loop and Oblivion Logo replacement video Map Marker OverhaulIllumination WithinNatural EnvironmentsThe Count's GiftLeveled Dremora ArmorsVersus Dark Brotherhood The Duke of Cheydinhal; Ring of VampirismLegendary Master Portable CampsiteStealth OverhaulPJ's Spell CompendiumBook PlacementBT Mod Bananasplit better cities The Lost spiresLost Paladins of the Divines Quest Award LevellingLoading Screens Themed Replacer (+SI)Castle AlmgardUltimate Music Pack Player Fishing ModImperial City Temple CleanSpell Delete Qarls texture pack III Better Letters Rusty ItemsBenirus Manor; necromancers lair Gaenor in Dementia v2Dremora MortalSlof's Dremora TexturesThievery in the Imperial CityLet the people drink! Inebriation AliveWatersJQ - Assasin Quest MercenariesNatural History MuseumImproved Water for Oblivion and SICats and RatsRemove Enchantment RestrictionsMart(igen?) Monster ModKvatch RebuiltRuined Tail's TaleMannimarco RevisitedServant of the DawnBruma Mages Guild RestoredSkooma AddictionTamriel TravellersKafei's Better Ring ReplacerEnchantment Restore over time Madgod Powers Mountain Tower At Home AlchemyClocks of CyrodiilRedBag ; friendly animals Decorator Assistant ArmamentariumSpiffy Loading BarThe Hall of Blissful Dreams and COBLRide Wild Horses 2.0Vim and Vigor Advanced COBL HGEC Robert's Male Improved Facial TexturesImproved Argonian Facial Textures Django's Unique Features Ungarion's Memoirs Lootable SI armour Loot Palace Guards ArmorDude, Where's my horse FINALOscuro's Oblivion Overhaul (OOO)Bob's Armory; Oblivion FCOM; Convergence Oblivion Wine OverhaulVagabond's Better GoldSeph's True Acrobatics Druid Tree HomeLock Bash 99% compatible - can break locksVaults of Cyrodill Consequences of Evil drop lit torchesAll Capes, Cloaks, Clothes, Gloves and Robes New Umbra ArmorDelaric's New Sheoth Homes (Bliss and Crucible)Reneers Gold Mod Vampire Aesthetics Soulgems v1.3 & 1.4Furniture RepricedMillstone Farm and Millstone COBLRegrowing NinrootArena Enhanced Midas Magic Spells of AurumJpm's Miniature NecromancyA brotherhood renewedWeather - All NaturalAlchemy Advanced Arcane University 300Black Horse Courier Expanded Hypothermia II Near Miss Magic And Arrows Alert Target Rev 5Deadly Reflex 6 Storms and SoundsGlittering PrizesSoTs The Order of Nibenay Blood textures for deadly reflexGorier Blood moDems City Life v22 Coms Torch CompendiumCrowded Roads Advanced Chapel Tithe Enchanting Skill X2 CLS Sailboats Clothing Matters CLS Alchemy Tools Hotkey Casting UpdatedQQuix Rock rock rock your shipStarX Vampire Deaths Improved Who Am I Silent Stones Camp Glenvar Crystal Ball ScryingAyleid Loot EXtendedBrew HouseAFK_Weye PJ's Lightning Strikes During Storms Ayleid Weapon EnchantmentsLootable Lich HelmsAncient Ruins Ayleid EditionLost Sword of the Ayleid Arcane Velocity Ambient Town Sounds EditedThe Oubliette See You SleepElsweyr the Deserts of AnequinaAncient Goblin CityTemple of ZealotsReduced backwards running speedOblivion Collectible CardsAbandoned Mountain ShackFrostcrag RebornOblivion XP UpdateAlchemists Cave COBLENBseries ScreenEffects Robes OverOblivion Symphonic Variations Music SuiteEcho_ChapelChant Put It In Its Place Lightning Speed More Immersive SoundsRealistic FatigueRealistic HealthSM Regional BountyRandom TasksLight Spell RecolorKeychain (+SI addon)Immersive InteriorsSolace RevisitedHel Bornes Argonian and Orc ZombiesSaddle Bags V3Reapers The Dark TowerDragon Captions Villages ZuTheSkunk's Shivering Isles OverhaulBorderless CyrodiilEnhanced Mercantile Leveling Enhanced Daedric InvasionEly's Invest MoreBirthsigns Expanded Fiery FistsJump Adjustment Candles for KleptosBow Sway Arena Alive Cure Disease OverhaulFeldscar Vergayun Faregyl MolapiReneer's Guard Overhaul

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:58 pm

The 254 limit is the number of plugins (esp's), not the number of mods. I see a few in that list that don't even have plugins, so you may not be as badly off as you thought. You can also merge a number of those into your Bash patch, so the plugin will be deselected and not count towards the limit. I think there's also a limit to the number of files you can have in your data directory. I believe that's 400 or so, so when you start merging plugins, this is the number to keep an eye on.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:01 pm

Aha, so if I go about merging numerous mods into single Plugins, I can fit them all in?
I imagine it would be plugins that are laid out in the Load Order, so I'll have to be careful about that. A few of these though (like the smaller town mods) I should be able to merge, is that correct?

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:51 am

Aha, so if I go about merging numerous mods into single Plugins, I can fit them all in?
I imagine it would be plugins that are laid out in the Load Order, so I'll have to be careful about that. A few of these though (like the smaller town mods) I should be able to merge, is that correct?

There are some guides posted around here for tips on merging mods with tes4gecko, like here: http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1068317-a-guide-to-merging-with-tesivgecko-second-thread/page__hl__tes4gecko

However as previously mentioned, wrye bash alone would take care alot of merging - so start with that and see where you're at number-wise. I have 270 esm/esps in my loadorder atm but thanks to Wrye Bash only 186 of those are actually loaded, the rest are merged into the bashed patch. That's quite a lot of mods merged into one.

I do use TES4Gecko aswell though, but I've only merged a few tiny mods.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:08 am

You can drop Helbornes Orc and Argonian zombies they're integrated in MMM IIRC
theres also a wrye bash ini tweak to remove the border, so you can drop that .esp has well

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:09 pm

You and CorePC are the '"has" well' team...

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:34 pm

AEVWD or MTAEVWD

Neither. Use RAEVWD if you're going to install a VWD mod. Those other two are not optimized at all and will cause you no end of trouble trying to use them.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:42 pm

I started going through your list. Then I thought there is just too much crap to sift though.

First, get rid of esp-less texture replacers or OBSE dll's. (I don't mean not use them - I mean take them out of that long assed list!)
Then take all the FCOM required and related mods and put them into a different list.
Then add any game changers like realistic fatigue, health, rag dolls, etc.
Then add major quest mods like The Lost Spires, Heart of the Dead, Windfall, etc.
This will be your core gameplay list.

What's left is what you need to whittle down / merge. Then ask for help.

A minor clarification to Andalay's post - you can have up to 256 absolute total active files.
All esp's AND esm's (including Oblivion.esm) AND your save game (.ess) are counted. Not just esp's.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:30 pm

That is one long list, I agree with the post above..you need to organize your list.

Pretty sure there is a regional bounty system in reneers guard overhaul, so no use for sm regional bounty

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:39 pm

All esp's AND esm's (including Oblivion.esm) AND your save game (.ess) are counted. Not just esp's.

Wait, what? Saves count too? Didn't know that...

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:26 pm

Wait, what? Saves count too? Didn't know that...

The loaded save game counts as esp #255 (starting from 0). That's why all items created ingame gets formId that starts with FF, because their "mod" is the savegame - and that's why changes stored in the savegame always overrides mods, since the savegame loads last.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:31 pm

The loaded save game counts as esp #255 (starting from 0). That's why all items created ingame gets formId that starts with FF, because their "mod" is the savegame - and that's why changes stored in the savegame always overrides mods, since the savegame loads last.

I knew about the loaded save, I thought aellis meant that Oblivion also takes into account all other saves, which sounds silly to me...

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:12 pm

You can replace the "lootable armor" mods (Dark Saint, IC Palace, and maybe the lich helms) with a single esp - there are several that allow all lootable armor, and I believe Wrye Bash has a tweak too.

Likewise, I think Jump Adjustment is a tweak.

Reduced Running Backwards Speed might be subsumed into Deadly Reflex (I know some combat mods allow you to tweak that, or adjust it automatically)

Rusty Items is mostly included in OOO

Don't use Operation Optimization - it doesn't do anything.

I notice you have Open Cities and Better Cities. Be prepared to ditch a lot of other mods due to lack of compatibility - most have patches for one or the other, but not both. I used to use OBC, but finally went to straight BC; having a short load screen at the gate is more than an equal tradeoff for improved framerates and the ability to use more mods without problems.

And speaking of patches... with FCOM and all those quest/location mods (especially BC), you're going to need a lot of patches. Better start checking up on those to see what you need. Personally, I'd start with the core install like aellis said, then start adding other stuff, using Wrye Bash to keep track of what you have. Once you reach a number that feels like "too much", you can start trimming it down.