Missing mesh for loose gold pieces : IV

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:40 pm

New modlist. Testing, configuring. Right now, everything seems to be working right except that I am missing the mesh for the gold pieces. And after running through the starter dungeon and testing my way through vilverin, that seems to be it. How could that have happened? :shrug: Anyone have any ideas? thanks.

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Could it possibly be Enhanced Economy's gold adjustment script failing somehow? I've got it set to adjust the amount of found gold on the ground.

TES4Edit says that the only things that touch leveled item loot gold is Oblivion.esm, MMM - gems and gemdust and the bashed patch.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:44 pm

Grab FormID Finder or RefSkope, they'll tell you the mesh the game is looking for and can't find.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:25 pm

I've used refid and can't seem to get a fix on the item. I know it's loose pieces of gold, but I can't get the crosshairs squarely on it or something.

Also, I changed the gold adjustment script in EE back to default and that did nothing to help my missing mesh.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:25 pm

EE is doubtful, it doesn't do anything to the actual mesh for the gold. The object's RefID is not going to help much here, you need the actual path the game is following to find the mesh, and neither TES4Edit or the barebones console will help you there.

Download FormID Finder, click on the missing mesh marker in console, followed by Alt+Right Click, and you'll get a scroll with info about the item, including what mesh the game is looking for and cannot find.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:49 pm

Thanks. I'll give FormID a try tomorrow.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:02 pm

Ran FormID, and it is indeed goldcoin01 from Oblivion.esm that is missing it's mesh (and icon texture as well, it turns out). I've tested through the whole of the starter dungeon, the first three levels of Vilverin and did some running around Weye. The gold coin seems to be all that is missing.

How can this be? And how do I fix it, seeing as the mesh and icon texture are in Oblivion - meshes.bsa and the textures bsa respectively.

Load order same as posted above.

Thanks for any help, really. I'm stumped (Oh, and I've made sure archive invalidated bsa is present, as well as trying Wrye Bash's bsa redirection toggled on and off and back on again, waited out the respawn time.)

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:05 am

Bump for help. I'm really lost here, y'all.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:44 pm

...seeing as the mesh and icon texture are in Oblivion - meshes.bsa and the textures bsa respectively.

I'm afraid I cannot offer anything beyond what you probably know already.

Did you browse (or unpack) your current BSA and check that this is indeed so? Are you using the vanilla BSA's? Maybe you pyffied the original, repacked the BSA but somehow the gold got lost in the process? Most likely this would be when re-assembling the meshes from the toaster "in" and "out" folder. Maybe revert to a backup of the vanilla BSA's and try again? :shrug:

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:22 pm

The object's RefID is not going to help much here, you need the actual path the game is following to find the mesh, and neither TES4Edit or the barebones console will help you there.

Uhh, what?!? This info is wrong.
TES4Edit is just fine for this. Load up your load order in TES4Edit, and check under [00] Oblivion.esm \ Misc. Item \ 0000000F at the Model subrecord. Et voila, the last copy of the record in your load order (quite possibly the Bashed patch) will define the mesh used in-game. You can hopefully work out which mod is changing the mesh and thus which mod's resources are not installed correctly.

Vac

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:03 pm

I'm afraid I cannot offer anything beyond what you probably know already.

Did you browse (or unpack) your current BSA and check that this is indeed so? Are you using the vanilla BSA's? Maybe you pyffied the original, repacked the BSA but somehow the gold got lost in the process? Most likely this would be when re-assembling the meshes from the toaster "in" and "out" folder. Maybe revert to a backup of the vanilla BSA's and try again? :shrug:

I haven't unpacked or repacked any bsas. Thansk for the idea, though.

Uhh, what?!? This info is wrong.
TES4Edit is just fine for this. Load up your load order in TES4Edit, and check under [00] Oblivion.esm \ Misc. Item \ 0000000F at the Model subrecord. Et voila, the last copy of the record in your load order (quite possibly the Bashed patch) will define the mesh used in-game. You can hopefully work out which mod is changing the mesh and thus which mod's resources are not installed correctly.

Vac

Ah. Good. I will load up TES4Edit and see what seems to be what. Thanks.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:50 pm

MMM - Gems & Gem Dust defines the path to the gold.nif as Clutter\metals\the gold.nif - which is picked up by the bashed patch. However, clutter\metals in the Data folder does not contain the mesh. It is presumably contained in the MMM.bsa - which is loaded properly, since other MMM meshes load properly.

Bug? Or something else I am still missing?

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:07 pm

Well you might want to unpack the MMM bsa and confirm that path. I have an old version of MMM unpacked and there is no Clutter\metals\the gold.nif. There's Clutter\metals\goldcoin01.nif and a couple of other gold type meshes, but not "the gold". Clutter\metals\the gold.nif looks a little odd to me, but it could be legit. I don't have MMM - Gems & Gem Dust, as far as I know. It was a long time ago than I unpacked it... If you unpack the bsa, you can confirm it and then delete the folders and files afterward. You'll want to unpack it to a directory outside of your Oblivion installation, of course

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:19 pm

Well you might want to unpack the MMM bsa and confirm that path. I have an old version of MMM unpacked and there is no Clutter\metals\the gold.nif. There's Clutter\metals\goldcoin01.nif and a couple of other gold type meshes, but not "the gold". Clutter\metals\the gold.nif looks a little odd to me, but it could be legit. I don't have MMM - Gems & Gem Dust, as far as I know. It was a long time ago than I unpacked it... If you unpack the bsa, you can confirm it and then delete the folders and files afterward. You'll want to unpack it to a directory outside of your Oblivion installation, of course

I'm sorry. I was using shorthand to refer to the goldcoin01.nif, since it was written out in a post above. Didnt' mean to confuse you, just to point out the folder path/bsa conundrum. I'm currently rebuilding a bashed patch without G&GD in the load order.

EDIT: ...and it was a case of renaming the MMM.bsa to Mart's Monster Mod.bsa. So, I was probably deceived that other MMM resources were being loaded? Could it be that in the whole of the starter dungeon and in Vilverin there are no other MMM meshes? Hmmm.... Of course, I also got rid of G&GD in the same fixing move. Hmmm... Well, I guess problem fixed, whatever the situation....