TES V: Skyrim - New Things that should be (IMO)

Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:12 am

I love these threads, so I'll add my own ideas as well. Some of your ideas (and mine) are a bit ambitious for devs to do, like bringing a poor person out of poverty, but hopefully with the mod system this can be done realistically. My ideas focus more on gameplay issues that I've experienced with previous ES games that need to be improved to promote realism. I REALLY hope that devs see these kinds of threads and "steal" our ideas.

1) Player/NPC jumping - This was something that was sorely lacking in Morrowind and Oblivion and was extremely exploitable. The fact that you could jump up on a rock and NPCs couldn't also made it a bit unrealistic. A cougar or an assassin is dexterous enough to be able to follow you up a couple of boulders and keep attacking you. I think to have this implemented with a sort of climbing system would be great so the heavier warriors might not be as agile but can still climb to reach you. If this can't be done, I hope the AI can be altered so that they will realize that they can't hit you and take cover or lay an ambush for when you get down. Ideally the NPC would lose tracking so you can then sneak around if you like, or leave completely if you succeed in getting away.

2) Random quests - Out of all the ES games I've played I think Morrowind was my favorite. The sheer amount of exploration was incredible. One thing Oblivion lacked was repetitiveness in the quests - after the 4th playthrough it got to be a pain to try to get access to the spellmaker by doing the same mage guild quests over again. The new random quests have amazing potential to bring back the excitement like Daggerfall. What I am suggesting is that in addition to having unique items stashed around the world (where Daedric Helm can always be found in xxx dungeon), on occasion initiating a random quest will remove that item and place on an NPC or dungeon, which you will need to retrieve. I hope we will be able to implement random quest scripts in the editor as well - with the community's talented mod-makers and writers this could make each playthrough truly unique - imagine instead of 20 stock quests and 20 random quest templates you have 20 stock quests and 100 random quest templates!

3) Scavenger type quests/items - Similar to the Propylon quest in Morrowind, but it doesn't even need to be via a questgiver. It doesn't even need to have a reward, but can be fun to collect. In Morrowind I had a collection of Grand Soul gems of every Dagoth, as well as all the Dwemer Scarab Plans, I could find. Vanilla Oblivion didn't have as much in that department from what I recall.

4) Armor and Weapon stands and mannequins - I think most of us enjoy going out an collecting weapons and armors and all around designing our house/castle in our own way (if you can't tell, I'm a completionist :)). In Morrowind and Oblivion I collected every possible weapon and armor (with mannequin mods) to display in my house - along with jewels, dwemer items, soul gems, etc... With physics it can sometimes be a chore to display and place items exactly the way you want, so I am hoping that the devs have a way where we can buy or craft display cases/mannequins so we can show off our stuff. I can't recall if there is a skinning type skill, but if there was a way to behead an animal to display it on your wall (think Ace Ventura's second movie) that would appeal to a lot of people I think. If the player can't do it, have him hire a taxidermist or drag the corpse to one (now I'm getting a little crazy)!

5) Realistic potion drinking - Not sure if this is something the Devs will want to implement, but for both NPCs and players potion drinking shouldn't be instantaneous - you should need to have at least one hand free and have the action (and animation) take a few seconds. This would remove the constant pausing and drinking a few potions in mid battle while swinging a sledgehammer. NPCs did it too, so this should apply to everyone. When an NPC flees they are defenseless anyway - have them drink then! Or have them hide behind their shield while drinking - if you want to get creative having a player/NPC bash during this time has a chance to break the potion (dropping or shattering) based on the attacker's combat skill and the defender's armor/blocking skill.

6) Time quests - While I think the vast majority of quests shouldn't be timed, there should be consequences for taking too much time. In Oblivion for example, if you waited too long in delivering the necklace, then eventually you should start to be attacked by Dagon's minions periodically as they would have tracked you down. Eventually the attacks would get stronger and stronger, forcing you to continue on with the quest. Maybe this was a bad example being the main quest (if you want to ignore it you should be able to) as TES should be open-ended, but for specific quests there should be something pushing you to continue and not leave it when it makes sense that any logical person wouldn't wait too long (if it were real life). NPC's son is sick and needs you to get xxx herb in 1 week or he will die... but don't worry, you can wait 2 months and he will still be waiting for you.
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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:55 am

TES V: Skyrim...wow I havent posted as Knight777 for a long time...anyhoo please read below and discuss. What would you like to see new?

Then what have you posted as? Hmmmm?
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:58 pm

I love these threads, so I'll add my own ideas as well. Some of your ideas (and mine) are a bit ambitious for devs to do, like bringing a poor person out of poverty, but hopefully with the mod system this can be done realistically. My ideas focus more on gameplay issues that I've experienced with previous ES games that need to be improved to promote realism. I REALLY hope that devs see these kinds of threads and "steal" our ideas.

1) Player/NPC jumping - This was something that was sorely lacking in Morrowind and Oblivion and was extremely exploitable. The fact that you could jump up on a rock and NPCs couldn't also made it a bit unrealistic. A cougar or an assassin is dexterous enough to be able to follow you up a couple of boulders and keep attacking you. I think to have this implemented with a sort of climbing system would be great so the heavier warriors might not be as agile but can still climb to reach you. If this can't be done, I hope the AI can be altered so that they will realize that they can't hit you and take cover or lay an ambush for when you get down. Ideally the NPC would lose tracking so you can then sneak around if you like, or leave completely if you succeed in getting away.

2) Random quests - Out of all the ES games I've played I think Morrowind was my favorite. The sheer amount of exploration was incredible. One thing Oblivion lacked was repetitiveness in the quests - after the 4th playthrough it got to be a pain to try to get access to the spellmaker by doing the same mage guild quests over again. The new random quests have amazing potential to bring back the excitement like Daggerfall. What I am suggesting is that in addition to having unique items stashed around the world (where Daedric Helm can always be found in xxx dungeon), on occasion initiating a random quest will remove that item and place on an NPC or dungeon, which you will need to retrieve. I hope we will be able to implement random quest scripts in the editor as well - with the community's talented mod-makers and writers this could make each playthrough truly unique - imagine instead of 20 stock quests and 20 random quest templates you have 20 stock quests and 100 random quest templates!

3) Scavenger type quests/items - Similar to the Propylon quest in Morrowind, but it doesn't even need to be via a questgiver. It doesn't even need to have a reward, but can be fun to collect. In Morrowind I had a collection of Grand Soul gems of every Dagoth, as well as all the Dwemer Scarab Plans, I could find. Vanilla Oblivion didn't have as much in that department from what I recall.

4) Armor and Weapon stands and mannequins - I think most of us enjoy going out an collecting weapons and armors and all around designing our house/castle in our own way (if you can't tell, I'm a completionist :)). In Morrowind and Oblivion I collected every possible weapon and armor (with mannequin mods) to display in my house - along with jewels, dwemer items, soul gems, etc... With physics it can sometimes be a chore to display and place items exactly the way you want, so I am hoping that the devs have a way where we can buy or craft display cases/mannequins so we can show off our stuff. I can't recall if there is a skinning type skill, but if there was a way to behead an animal to display it on your wall (think Ace Ventura's second movie) that would appeal to a lot of people I think. If the player can't do it, have him hire a taxidermist or drag the corpse to one (now I'm getting a little crazy)!

5) Realistic potion drinking - Not sure if this is something the Devs will want to implement, but for both NPCs and players potion drinking shouldn't be instantaneous - you should need to have at least one hand free and have the action (and animation) take a few seconds. This would remove the constant pausing and drinking a few potions in mid battle while swinging a sledgehammer. NPCs did it too, so this should apply to everyone. When an NPC flees they are defenseless anyway - have them drink then! Or have them hide behind their shield while drinking - if you want to get creative having a player/NPC bash during this time has a chance to break the potion (dropping or shattering) based on the attacker's combat skill and the defender's armor/blocking skill.

6) Time quests - While I think the vast majority of quests shouldn't be timed, there should be consequences for taking too much time. In Oblivion for example, if you waited too long in delivering the necklace, then eventually you should start to be attacked by Dagon's minions periodically as they would have tracked you down. Eventually the attacks would get stronger and stronger, forcing you to continue on with the quest. Maybe this was a bad example being the main quest (if you want to ignore it you should be able to) as TES should be open-ended, but for specific quests there should be something pushing you to continue and not leave it when it makes sense that any logical person wouldn't wait too long (if it were real life). NPC's son is sick and needs you to get xxx herb in 1 week or he will die... but don't worry, you can wait 2 months and he will still be waiting for you.

Thanks :)

You have some good ideas, I really hope they make a climb feature, if I can't jump far enough to get on a ledge, I can hang on to the end, and pull myself up!

Good idea about drinking potions.

Time quests are good if not done for all or even most. Like getting something to someone in a week or they will die is ok, but for other types of quests might get REALLY annoying.

Random quests is a great idea.
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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:35 am

Then what have you posted as? Hmmmm?

On these forums I have only been Knight777 :)
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:18 pm

Agreed to all exept Number 13): I would regret that later if i wiped out a guild, then i would accept this in the game if it would only damage the guild not destroy it for good.

And the Compass one... IF ALL ELSE FAILS THIS IS WHAT WILL SAVE THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!111ONEONE!ELEVEN!!1
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:22 pm

TES V: Skyrim...wow I havent posted as Knight777 for a long time...anyhoo please read below and discuss. What would you like to see new?

2. Level Scaling like Morrowind, not like Oblivion, or even better probably NO level scaling - Since Skyrim is an open world game, no level scaling would be a bad idea. I need some challenge even at higher levels. Besides Bethesda has confirmed level scaling more akin to Fallout's. The only thing I hate about such scaling is leveled loot.

5. Fast travel the way it should be...by guild guide or a boat or ship or carriage or something like that - I sometimes prefer the convenience that fast travel offers. Added alternatives to fast travel is a better way out.

7. People should submit to you during battle - Only if they're morale is lowered. But I doubt such a feature would be included in the game.

9. I like to have main game music off. But there should be in game music heard coming from taverns and sometimes castles for example which I would love to hear, adds realism and a good atmosphere. - Music from taverns is great but some, if not most people, prefer to listen to the music scores whilst playing.

10. Ability to turn off the compass PLEASE. - Why would you want to turn off the compass? The arrow markers shouldn't be there, sure but you do require some means for access to basic directions.

Misc. - do not think the metal bar will be able to move so much in frozen water. Also this is before guns. So compasses where not even around. - TES is a fantasy world. Also, compasses were invented long ago. One of the first evidences of a magnetic compass was from the early 9th century.


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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:01 pm

Agreed to all exept Number 13): I would regret that later if i wiped out a guild, then i would accept this in the game if it would only damage the guild not destroy it for good.

And the Compass one... IF ALL ELSE FAILS THIS IS WHAT WILL SAVE THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!111ONEONE!ELEVEN!!1

Thanks :) Yes I really hope they listen to my compass idea...aka option for NO COMPASS!
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:48 pm

"Since Skyrim is an open world game, no level scaling would be a bad idea. I need some challenge even at higher levels. Besides Bethesda has confirmed level scaling more akin to Fallout's. The only thing I hate about such scaling is leveled loot."

Thanks for your opinion, but think of the repercusions of say Oblivion's level scaling. I level up to get more powerful, not feel just about the same with the enemies around me.

If there has to be level scaling Morrowinds is the way to go. Again you can still have people that will give you a challenge at the higher end levels. Like Umbra and the her hands guards, and obviously boss level npcs.

"I sometimes prefer the convenience that fast travel offers. Added alternatives to fast travel is a better way out."

Would be cool if there was an option in the beginning of the game to have Oblivion's fast travel option on or off. I would choose Off for that right from the start, but others may choose on.

"Only if they're morale is lowered. But I doubt such a feature would be included in the game."

This should not be hard to implement, I don't know how they would create morale's ability to go up and down, perhaps losing or winning. But it should be coupled with whether or not the npc has a high willpower perhaps etc. Again this doesnt have to happen with every single npc, it could be certain npcs who you are crushing and who see how powerful you are etc, or just sneaky npcs looking for a sneak attack.

"Music from taverns is great but some, if not most people, prefer to listen to the music scores whilst playing."

Yes perhaps for those people when they get near a tavern the tavern music picks up, and then after they get far enough away game music starts and/or resumes.

"Why would you want to turn off the compass? The arrow markers shouldn't be there, sure but you do require some means for access to basic directions."

Well just for directional purposes would be absolutly fine, but arrow markers which show you where things especially npcs are is SO STUPID. Also the journal I think sometimes used to tell you exactly what you should do next if I remember correctly. Enough hand holding already let the player use their brain and figure out what they want to do and/or should do, and let the player be able to get information to complete a quest from npc(s) and/or books etc.

Besides if the compass is off you should still be able to see which direction you are going by opening your map, I think like it was in Morrowind.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:58 pm

if you want harder just use the difficulty slider, no need to adjust level scaling anyway it's fine.
allso joining "guard" faction would not work ALL thieves/assassins would just kick all of em out and raid place when no 1 is there. now i can hear sereval "they wont let you join" but what stops being "good" till that happens then take the goodie goo mask off and just kill everything?
allso from my point of wiew many monsters are MENT to be tough like ogres they have heavy skin and are big = reason for many hits?
but i admit not having quest compas on would be nice :)
allso about killing thieves guild and dark brotherhood would be bit impossible NONE of them would speak, you can catch 1 or 2 thieves but all of them?
and allso those who really know about dark brotherhood would newer ever speak about them.
and getting attacked by assassin = instant death (if you look at the vids assassins can do that maybe?) so thats kinda out too (+ they wouldnt sent complete rookies againts hero would they?)
but getting ambushed by archers on top of rock or some other hard to get place could be quite nice instead of them running thru bush to stand at road screaming they gonna kill you :) (if i was bandit i would tell to throw all valuables on ground and tell them to run away if not tell my friends to shoot down)

what i really DO hope for is that fighting dragons would really feel like big job not just few hits and they fall down, some heroic stuff ^^ (yeah watched dragonheart movies too many times but STILL!)
allso if no 1 SEES you killing some 1 or stealing you would not get infamy even completing such missions, it would be more realistic. allso possibility to do all missions so that you would get either fame, none or infamy. ofc something as killing dragon middle of street would be hard to explain away...
but by the 9 dont make any thing that can "wipe your record" away like in the knights of the nine... they should just say that you have killed too many your sins cannot be forgiven or something.

- if i misspell something think it as funny not complaining aboot it (that was on purpose)-
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:43 pm

I strongly agree with the OP's idea for fast traveling. I absolutely hate Oblivion's and Fallout's fast travel system, it feels extremely cheap and it kills the sense of scale of the game world. I would much prefer the fast travelling methods in Morrowind, or simply give me the ability to permanently disable the "Oblivion style" fast travel at the beginning of each Skyrim playthrough, PLEASE!


Or...you know....just don't fast travel...pretty simple.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:38 pm

If Skyrim does Fastravel like Oblivion, there will be no NOT using fastravel. what you "don't like it don't use it" guys are not grasping is in Oblivion there is no alternative, no walking isnt an alternative when going from leyawiin to Chorrol and clicking a map to a town and teleporting there is annoying if not killing roleplayer immersion.

but of course one would say

whats the different between teleporting through a map and teleporting through an activator NPC who offers"travel" services.

and I say nothing really, with regards to teleporting. but there is no downside to teleporting, you don't pay a thing, and no journey costs nothing, either you pay in stamina or money and quite possibly danger. Travel services costs money, it requires you to think ahead, you probably have a mark and recall cast nearby, if your broke you'll do some work or even steal this further galvanizes your character AS a character in the game world.

my new thing concerned the Spellmaking system


Since they are overhauling the Magic system and adding environmental effects such as lightning stunning and draining magicka or fire continuing to burn, here is a list I hope with regards to current spell effects. using the Oblivion and Morrowind spell effects archives. its more like a detailed hoped ect ect. again this is the HOPE that they are keeping spell effects and not shelling us with saome fable esq crap where you can only cast so many spells and not make your own, trust me after 10 mins its going to get annoying casting the same fireball spell, ands context sensitive spell casting is a cheap cop out to me.

Really spells are from research an art even, not that you bought them from a person that sells spells, at any point if spells are sold they should only be from scrolls, where then if you are not associated with the Mages guild (now Synod and Whispers) then you memorize and incorporate that spell, rather than buying it from some store. and of course you can be *taught* the a spell or rather spell *effects* from other trainers, but ultimate what spells you have are what you concentrated and formed yourself. i made a post about this somewhere ill edit it into this one.

I envisioned a spell making system were it was ACTIVE.

The Player would muster a large portion of their Magicka and a concentrate it into a specific kind of Spell effect, the amount of magicka Mustered would be diminishing so a kind of trail and error or you'll have to know exactly what kind of spell you want to make before you make it apporach would be needed. you couldn't do it on the fly, a form of contcentration of focus would be needed to even start the process, meditating or being at rest and utilizing the magicka. quiet area's with no disturbances or unusually large amounts of risidual magicka would be helpful

so during the task you control

Concentration- whether or not its densely packed / and if that affects a wide or limited area

Sustained or not - deciding whether or not its a flame thrower or a fire ball, an arc of lightning or a sustained flurry

Intensity - Frequency would control whether the effects lasts after the intial caste, such as setting things on fire, or effecting a persons mind after using a very powerful charm spell.

the more adept you are at spell making / being a mage/That School of Magicka the more effects you can utilize while making a spell and the less likely you are to backfire during the process spell effects are taught by their respective guild schools (each Chapter in Oblivion speciallized in a school) or by Books/Scrolls.

You would be able to make spells beyond your scope, but it would be difficult and taxing to your character in making it and casting that spell. certain spells depending on how you made them would be difficult for you to caste at first, but with more use you become more proficient at using your spells. continuing on taxing the player certain perks could be availible that allow you to reach into deeper pools of magicka where otherwise you would simply run out and not ble able to caste. and even further more casting spells frequently with little magicka would fatiuge your character from draining stamina, making focus harder, to draining your health.

You could still be taught spells from other mages or learn from scrolls bought at varios stores as a way for the individuals not proficient in Magick to have access to such.


School of Alteration

Burden: Increases the weight of an object or all objects on an opponent. can be used to increase your standing power or keep an object out of an opponents use, failiure results in a higher than normal burdening possibly culminating in crushing of user or casted object, or lack there of.

Feather: Decreases the weight of an object or all objects on an oponent, can be used on self to lighten weight and move faster or jump higher in difficult situations, failiure results in unstable field, unwarrented deactivation

Fire Shield: Evokes a Field/Sphere of FIRE around the user, effective at staving off localized frost hazards and attacks. can increase dmg done by fire attacks both incoming and out going, as well as potentially killing the user in hostile environments where heat/fire is in excess. can be nulled by Dispel if its higher then the casted shield, failiure results in burning

Frost Shield: Evokes a field/Sphere of ICE around the user, effective at staunching off Fire based attacks, Can increase dmg done by Frost based attacks both incoming and outgoing, can kill or dmg the user if used for too long in frost hazards IE Blizzards. can be nulled by Dispel if it is higher than the casted shield, Failiure results in frost damage or possiblity of temporary freezing

Open: magically opens a locked container or door. lower levels can unlock doors not sealed by magical means, Higher levels require dispel or great profieciency in open when used with telekinesis, doors can be opened at a distance, allowing the user to gain ground from a pursuer

Lock: magically Seals an open door or Container, when used with Telekinesis doors can be locked at a distance giving the user some repreve from an extensive chase or lock their hapless victim from continuing to flee, it is different from physical lock in that the seal is reinforced by magicka and takes more than a key to open, however without local enchantment or certain perks, the magicka reinforcement will run out, leaving the lock level to remain. note a lock spell cannot increase the level of lock already on a door.

Shield: Creates a Magical Shield that universally protects the user, however it is impermable and does not allow for magical attacks in or out the field, can be nulled by Dispel, little protection from environmental hazards. failiure results in an unstable field, allowing objects/attacks to penetrate the field. perks are availible to extend the natural caste time of this spell as well as add push back force to heavy blows incured on the shield

Shock Shield: Creates a Sphere of Magical Electricity, able to damage opponents coming to close to the user, Shock based attacks are doubled going out but do not penetrate the field, does not protect against environmental hazards /fire/frost. failiure results in an unstable field lashing out an anything in its reach and potentially damaging the user

Water Breathing: allows the user to utilize Magical breath sustaining the user under area's low or devoide of Oxygen, can resist air/inhilation based poisons, failiure invokes astral vapors disease

Water Walking : allows the user to walk on water, lower levels restrict the user to *walking* higherlevels give greater stabilization to allow running and even sprinting or extended combat over water. failiure results in a lost of effect.

School of Conjuration often this school of magick requires both hands be free for spell casting

Bound Armor and weapons: ability to pioritize a set of weapons/ Armor for instant equip and use during combat for mages that cannot use armor effectively. the Bound Objects are specialized for the mage to allow maximum magicka usage and mobility despite that armors type, is vulnerable to dispel and disintegrate but are more resistant. the armor can be fortified with additional magicka, Failiure results in dispersion of the armor, greater levels of Bound weapons allows the user to summon unorthodox weapons and armors from the Deadric planes with the required teachings/perks.

Summon Ancestor Guardian: a Purely Dunmeri Ability, a Dunmer is able to call upon its ancestors for aid, Ancestor ghosts can aid in battle, provide council, possess enemies or buff the users with its blessings, the Ancestors are giving strenght through offerings and reverence made at local Temple shrines. failiure results in summoning the wrong Ancestor, potentially from another family, or no ancestors at all. Higherlevels can evoke 2 more ancestors to aid the user.

Summon Animal - Spiderlings, Bears, Wolves etc etc: depending on type of summoning a Prexisting animal from a nearby location can be called to aid the user, otherwise a magical summoning is brought fourth which is more vulnerable to magick disrupting attacks, preexisting animals leave after their service has expired, and only familiars stick around to continue aid. various animals have different abilites and are helpful in a variety of ways. failiure results in the summoning turning on you and or phasing out of existence in terms of magical based summonings

Summon lesser Deadra: understood as low caste Deadra, these include deadra of what mortals believe as limited intelligence deadra, Daedroths, Clanfears, Scamps etc etc, these Daedra are bound to the user when summoned, many are aware of the situation and will do as told, however unexperienced casters have found how smart these individuals can become, and bringing fourth to many can have dire consqeuncess if you don not posses the required skills/knowlegde.

Summon Dremora: summoning Dremoras is a risky business, and often are possible through prexisting pacts with a particular Dremora or common summoning speech used to bring one forth, while lower tier Soldier Dremora are common but no less risky to call fourth, Dremora Lords are a whole other animal and are best done by highly skilled practitioners with a clear goal of what they want the Dremora lord to do, otherwise the Lord will show little hesitance to strike at anything in range if left at its own devices.

Summon Atronach: Atronach's are similar to Dremoras in the risks involed when summoning them, they are often silent, and obidient, which makes them fairly deadly as they are not as predictable as the Dremora Counterparts, each Antronach form has a different cognitive type. as with all Daedra a modicum of caution a preparedness is essential for survival.

Summon Undead: encompassing ghosts, wraiths, skeletons, zombies, Summoning Undead can be done on the fly with a weaker magically summoned varient, or one from a disturbed area were souls roam, by using summon undead and culminate of apporpriate assemblance of bones and weapons, flesh and cloth, or a spirit will come to your aid, Failiure of such results in either a dude casting, or another opponent to clash blades with. (or run from)

Turn Undead: Lesser instances of this spell effect will send undead creatures fleeing from your sight, greater instances burning them and banishing them from their corporeal forms. failiure results in..failiure and a mad spirit.


School of Destruction

Damage Attribute/Health/Magicak/Stamina: this is a purely magical effects handy-capping its related target, where its applying unseen damage to a targets health, breaking their Magicka, or Stamina a target without the appropriate defense will find themselves falling really fast, Single caste Damage spells take a significant amount of Magicka use and more often harm other effects in addition to their intended targets but to a lesser degree, while temporary damage takes less, and is well...temporary. is extroadinarily useful with other destruction based attacks or those used in succession with debuffing spells. this effect is not pleasent for the victim and is not harmless like absorb.

Disintegrate Armor/Weapons / Area: does as it says, this Spell degrades armor, weapons, barrier doors, anything inanimate is subject to this spell effect, when used in conjuction with out destruction spells, that particuler effect is enhance, and can chip away defences vulnerable to its type, like a disintegrating fireball on a barrier, however because of its purely magickal nature residual effects like frost, burn and frost only last the duration of the entire spell, failiure results in a wild cast or destruction of personal equipment. resisted naturally by enchanted weapons/armor.

Absorb(Restoration)/Drain: works similar to Damage, but the damage is done overtime consistently, Drain is not instance, and in its use the users magicka pool is reduced, however the effects can easily turn the tide of battle and are useful for items to gain a charge, store it , and apply to yourself on an enchanted object. failiure results in a dud caste, or polarized Drain/Absorb. this effect is also harmful unlike absorb.

Fire Damage: Produces the Magical elemental version of Fire, as potent and just as dangerous, magical fire remains as long as its duration/power of the spell, with some naturally heat produced flares remaining behind, Fire damage can be focused into a stream, a volitile ball, or an explosive bolt. touch based fire damage can be utilized in strikes or grabs, burning the area of choice and potentially instantly killing depending on the area. failiure results in a dud caste or fire damage.

Frost Damage: similar to Fire Damage can freeze on contact, used on the ground can create a slippery area for opponents, will naturally evaporate after its duration is over.

Shock Damage: ditto can be used on bodies of water for an even greater effect on enemies occupying that area.

Weakness to: reduces resistances


School of Illusion

Calm: the user whipes the mind of his/her attacker and evokes a sense of disinterest, the effect is increased when utilized with chameleon or invisibility literally forcing the target to forget you were their long enough for you to disappear., greater levels are required for high INT individuals or excessively aggressive animals. Failiure results in a dud spell. higher levels can extend the effect beyond the victim, sudddenly becoming disinterested in their current tasks, Zoning out, laxness, or even sleep when combined with Drain fatigue and Drain Stamina

Chameleon: makes the user into a shilouette(sp) of sorts, you are still able to do actions such as attack and pick items up, but such will allow your opponents to focus on you more, the greater distance between you and a target, the less chameleon you require to sustain, opponents with abilities like Detect life or being hit by marking attacks such as spider webs, or projectile vomit will paint you out despite the Chamelon. some animals have a greater degree of senses and can locate you. failiure results in partial chamelon casts or dud cast.

Charm: Charm Hijacks your targets mental processes and luls them into having a greater degree of being persuaded, Animals are drawn to protect you and people are placed into a sense of ease around you, high INT can negate this effect and animals with higher senses /smell/sight etc etc can shake themselves out of the effect. Higher levels of Charm can have undeterminal effects on the victim, including near insanity, incoherent babbling, etc etc.

Command : the greater cousin of Calm, Command Hijacks the victims cognita and forces them into service for you, some higher INT opponents may be well aware that they are under your controll unwillingly and will generally try to resist, too strong of a Command can completely stupify its intended victim leaving you with a useless husk, like Charm, permanent Casted Commands take more magicka and are prone to resistance while durations are cheaper and gradual, allowing for greater control.

Demoralize: Scaring your opponents bowles clean, this spell effect evokes an irrational sense of fear or hesitation in your oppoents, where lesser creatures require little Magicka for use, Greater opponents like Dremora are nearly impossible to scare witless, Demoralize may not always work as intended as some animals and people as well will flail against their fears, putting a overly confident user into a bind. the effect is increased when used on Weapons, armor or even another individual. failiures include dud casting or simply pissing off the intended victim even further.

Frenzy: Invoking an overwhelming sense of rage into your opponent, this is an excellent alternative to taunting, due to some opponents being resitant to taunting and some animals (they don't know you are taunting them) it can be used to force an enemy to expend more energy, and lose focus making them slip up, make mistakes, or not notices things (like the Fire trap I just layed on the floor) animals also lose touch and focus with their senses allowing you to sidestep them and evade them easily, or plain just tire them out and put them out of their misery, like most spells, Duration, touch and or short range spells take less magicka than do range spells, making spell such as a light fire damage spell and a frenzy can cause nearby enemies to lose moral at seeing a flaming raging beast of a man/animal. failiure includes a dud spell or in a perfect world, your character getting pissed and going on a killing spree out of your control(jk)

Invisibility: this spell effect phases out the user, they are still tangible but not obeservable in the physical world the effect persists so long as no extensive action is taken interacting with objects outside the players field will disrupt the spell, although undead/ghosts/spirits can still see the user, most other enemies not using spells like detect life cannot see the player but can hear them, unlike chameleon invisibility's optimal range is all whether close or far, but factors like projectile markers (vomit/spit/webs) can signal out the player, animals with heightend senses can also detect where the players general area is, but cannot focus on them, ranged attacks also generally miss. like other spells Invisibility can be used on objects to conceal them from thieves, or their seekers, but because of the magical endowment can be detected by Detect enchanted objects spell. failiure includes dud casting (example casting invisibilty and levitaion instills near total nullification of being detected by physical means...as long as you don't bump into a chandiler, doing so could spook unaware npc's in their homes, and can cause them to react in a number of ways.)

Light: Illuminates the area via light Orb or object that the spell is applied to (rings, swords, Shields, clothing) the spell persists under duration or as long as magicka is feed into it from the enchanted item or player, Light can be intensified to stave off light sensitive creatures/abominations, it can also be combined like other spells into forms like fire damage combined with light gives Solar burst, an intense daylight effect useful for keeping vampires at bay(those sensitive to light anyway), you cannot sneak while illuminated unless you cancel the spell or pocket/drain your items with Drain Magicka.

Blind: Obscures the Vision of the victim, often causes a slight demoralization for eye reliant enemies, has no effect on *blind* targets such as blind moths or those with high perception, negates the use of vision enhancing effects like night eye , detect life, detect magicka. when used with Light, it literally becomes blinding light, obscuring the foes vision in the appropriate intensity of the spell, enemies afflicted lose all focus on the player and will generally flail about, those with higher INT, Levels or well trained will at times calm down to better improve their chances of striking the player, sound plays a huge role at this point and taunting oh throwing objects can sway the enemy, to prevent the enemies recolection its best use in conjuction with frenzy or demoralize. spell failiure includes Cast Dud.

Night-Eye: a spell effect used to mimick Khajiit's natural ability to navigate the darkness with little trouble, such requires a steady flow of magicka or releveant enchanted items equipped, it comes in intensities from low light illuminations to complete near daylight like hues, however the spell effect Light as well as other light sources can disorient the user or anyone using night eye. failiure results in *blind* spell effect.

Paralyze: this spell/effect can range from making movement extremely difficult (coupled with burden) to nigh impossible applicable by poisons, Inhilation, injection. this effect as a myriad of transmissions, it can reduce the effectiveness of a combatant in battle, inhibite mages from hand castes, and make them vulnerable to attack, combined with Frost, it could indefinently entomb and kill an opponent, or burn them alive for the more sadistic practitioners. failiure includes dud caste of paralyzation on self.

Rally: The opposite of Demoralize, Rally can invoke an overwhelming sense of bravado and courage into its target, at higher levels such can become near zealous or suicidal Higher INT *enemies* may notice something is wrong but they are compelled to carry out their fearlessness onto the duration of the spell unless they are able to resist and shrug off the spell, when used with Charm or command they are more susceptible to Rally, Rally does not substitute for a true leader however, who is able to invoke true bravery and zeal, but the spell is an excellent alternative to those with low speechcraft and charisma. one thoughtful way to employ this spell is to caste it on a sword, with an area effect and caste on activation not hit (or you'll be making your enemies more willing to kill you) then brandish your sword in a rally call and the effect will boost their moral. failures include dud casting

Silence: Does exactly what it says, it prevents vocal castings and doubles the lenght of time it takes for castes that require vocal and movement casting, it also prevents foes from calling for help or rallying others to their position, if they die during the silence caste, they will generally make no sound depending on the intensity for some opponents this can reduce moral in combat. casting silence on an NPC will not enable them to talk, where it would be a decent show of superiorirty to your percieved lessers, casting it on an citizen is generally a crime and not well recieved. Failiure includes back fire silence, one inventive way to utilize silence is in combination with paralysis leaving the individual fully aware but helpless as you pifler their store, blind is also useful aslong as they did not observe you prior, thus forgoing having your image posted all over town.

Sound: apart of the casting inhibiting spells, Sound creates a thought scattering noise on the victim, disabling thought evoked spells (spells casted by recalling them or remembering them) much of the enemies or players spell repetoire is disabled for the spells duration, and combined with the other spells of its kind can be quite potent, in addition sound combined with a fire ball can have a demoralizing effect on lesser creatures and enemies. spell failiue includes self infliction of sound, and *shell shock* type of effect.

School of Mysticism I know its gone

Detect Life : Allows the user to see living things through solid objects. whether they are cloaked by darkness or Magic, so long as they have life, they will glow. failiure includes spell dud caste.

Dispel: depending on the casters proficiency, this spell can severely weaken or utterly abolish any Magicka based spell present on an object, from falling shields, wiping away buffs, and Enchanted weapons (effective when used with Drain can completely remove the enchantments) Dispel is essentially voiding Magicka from an object or area. failiures include spell dud caste.

Absorbtion/Reflect Damage/Spells are inherent in magicka Shield, certain birthsigns and combination of certain perks as well.

Soul Trap: makes the smallest applicable soulgem active for the target in question as to which it will encase that living targets soul upon death. spell failiure includes spell dud caste or soul escaping based on its strenght

Telekinesis: you to pick up an item or individual from a distance based on strenght of the spell. from there you can bring them to you and send them flying at another target, higher levels allow for multiple/heavier objects to be utilized as either shields or projectile weapons, even as buidling blocks to access other areas. spell failiures include dud cast, uncontrolled telekinetic throws, application on self and afformentioned Throws, or wild cast.


School of Restoration

Absorb: from Magicka to health, attributes and skills Absorb allows to user to gain strenght from other individuals/Objects for a temporary boost, the effect is not harmful and is somewhat symbiotic like drain, where the victim / source ceases so are the gains, like drain spell effect failiures include polarization of the stream, this spell is useful for absorbing magical items or friendlies with strenght to spare.

Cure Disease/Poison/Paralysis: this spell effect reduces or removes the effects of their appropriate relations, Reduced spell effects are able to comback in intensity for low cost duration cures while removing them completely or reducing them completely takes more Magicka, Failiures include dud spell cast.

Fortify: Like Absorb, Foritfy gives a substantial boost to the user whereever the deem relevant, the spell is dependent on the amount of Magica availible to the cast, because both temporary and permenant fortify are based from magick, their effects can be nulled by dispel and or damage/drain magicka. the spell draws from the amount of magicka applied to it for a duration, or drains on the fly until the duration ends or you run out of magicka, its infact a buffer so even losing health beyond the amount you had already wont neccesarily kill you out right, and instead from your magicka pool or fortify spell

Resist: resist nullifies detrimental effects pertaining to their caste type (shock, fire, frost,etc etc) as with all the other spell effects in Restoration it can be permenant or duration and can be nulled by Dispel, spell failiures include spell dud.

Restore: Returns attributes/health/Stamina back to normal, if used while under duress from a drain/damage effect the spell will be continous natively until the opposing effect cease, duration ends, or magicka supply runs out. spell failiures include spell dud.
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Natalie Harvey
 
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:56 pm

oh and make blood last longer till cleaned or rain washes it away, its bit weird that it just "fades" away like it does in oblivion
must have cleaning maids in inn where you slit throat of your target ^^
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:11 pm

1. Absolutely. Seems like a good idea.

2. Both systems should work in tandem, especially considering that you're going to be leveling very quickly in the beginning. I don't want to accidentally wander into Godhood, the option should be there mind you but it shouldn't be hit like Oblivion where around level 30 nothing can stand up to you anymore. And I don't want this just with special people and special areas. Bandits shouldn't go from a fight for your life to blinking at them and they fall over, should they be particularly threatening, no. Should they be strong enough that you might have to hit them three times? Yes. If all the generic enemies are suddenly ultra-weak, even if we are the chosen one this time, the combat won't be fun, the traveling won't be fun or interesting. All that caters to is people with some really big egos.

3. Alright this one I'll agree to. I think scaling should exist so enemies maintain some level of interest, but that was absurd in Oblivion. You would hit level thirty and no one could threaten you, but at the same time everything would take forever to kill.

4. If there was a similar quest maybe I could see your point. However you were in the Realm of the Madgod. There was a particular tradition for becoming Duke/Duchess and that's the way it plays out. Good Characters do have a path they can take, they can walk away. In the Shivering Isles you play Sheogorath's game, you leave or you die. His realm, his rules.

5. I think their should be a mode in which fast travel exists only in the way you describe but that forcing it on everyone is a very, very poor idea.

6. No comment

7. First part yes, second part no,

8. It would indeed be cool, a strong enough telekinesis spell for that would be epic!

9. I agree completely. It also adds the option of not including that music to make an area seem oppressed or out of place.

10. The ability to turn it off, sure. DBD is wrong though. Tech does not develop in the way in a world with magic and a world without. Moreover Dwemer technology is present in Skyrim, if they could build the Orreries why wouldn't they have compasses?

11. Agree completely.

12. This just seems kind of pointless.

13. Absolutely maybe. Depends how good they are at concealing themselves. You should definitely have at least one encounter with a Dark Brotherhood member trying to kill you if you are that good.

14. Definitely.

15. Kind of want, kind of don't. No real comment.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:17 pm

2. Both systems should work in tandem, especially considering that you're going to be leveling very quickly in the beginning. I don't want to accidentally wander into Godhood, the option should be there mind you but it shouldn't be hit like Oblivion where around level 30 nothing can stand up to you anymore. And I don't want this just with special people and special areas. Bandits shouldn't go from a fight for your life to blinking at them and they fall over, should they be particularly threatening, no. Should they be strong enough that you might have to hit them three times? Yes. If all the generic enemies are suddenly ultra-weak, even if we are the chosen one this time, the combat won't be fun, the traveling won't be fun or interesting. All that caters to is people with some really big egos.

3. Alright this one I'll agree to. I think scaling should exist so enemies maintain some level of interest, but that was absurd in Oblivion. You would hit level thirty and no one could threaten you, but at the same time everything would take forever to kill.

4. If there was a similar quest maybe I could see your point. However you were in the Realm of the Madgod. There was a particular tradition for becoming Duke/Duchess and that's the way it plays out. Good Characters do have a path they can take, they can walk away. In the Shivering Isles you play Sheogorath's game, you leave or you die. His realm, his rules.

5. I think their should be a mode in which fast travel exists only in the way you describe but that forcing it on everyone is a very, very poor idea.


Thanks for your ideas. I have comments about some. Like 2 and 3. I felt and people have said that in Oblivion perhaps it would have been better to stay at level 1 and up your skills, and you would have felt more like you were more powerful. Because of the level scaling in Oblivion you never seemed to get really more powerful, except maybe level 40 or 45 and above.

Even at that point though since no one could really threaten you except maybe a select few, you still had to hit some things like ogres SO MUCH for them to die. This was a horrible level scaling system. I think once you are level 40 or above you should be basically unbeatable (anyone who does not like that can just up the difficulty). I have worked that hard so no one should be able to match me. That is my opinion. Do I have a big ego? I don't know, but I know like real life God willing if you get good enough no one could be a match for you. That plus I would think most of us are role playing a hero here.

Also it was so stupid that every bandit you ran into at higher levels had ebony or other good armor. Also loot was leveled. I just really don't like that. Bandits should almost always prob have iron or steel or lower tier light armor I think. And at level one you should run into level 40 npcs, and be able to get your hands on ebony armor and weapons if you go to the right place.

Also you should be able to find level 1 npcs when you are level 50, and you should still find loot that contains iron armor etc.

Make it realistic!

As for number 4, his realm his rules? I like better - my game my rules. The devs make this game for the people. There should be options to make everyone happy. You can still be good in sheogorath's realm, you can be good anywhere.

That is why there should be options for fast travel like Oblivion AND morrowind, and even expanding on morrowind like fast travel in ships and carriage. And an option for real time travel in those things. And a strong chance to have a battle on the way to your destination.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:48 pm


Wow man. Thanks for sharing your ideas, I did not really read except for a bit as I am not that interested in Magic. I only like restoration as a major class.

I hope the devs read your ideas though :)
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:17 pm

oh and make blood last longer till cleaned or rain washes it away, its bit weird that it just "fades" away like it does in oblivion
must have cleaning maids in inn where you slit throat of your target ^^

This would be good. Outdoors it must wash away, indoors there should be someone who cleans up, possibly someone from the Legion.
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