[RELz] Realistic Sneak for NPCs : IV - Oblivion

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:43 am

Bah, found a bug in detection formula. Detection should be way easier at higher PC sneak..

1.02 upcoming in several hours - with optional armor/weapon penalties from SO and fix for issue above.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:33 pm

1.02 is out!

Changes:
1. Again modified detection formula. Now weights for Agility and Sneak parameters are same as
in-game damage formula.
2. Added optional penalties for wearing heavy armor and/or having weapon/shield out.
3. Reveal Distance can be adjusted via ini now

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:27 pm

1.03 is out!

Bugfix: under some circumstances NPC would not come out of hiding. This has been fixed.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:31 am

So are you going to make this a decent replacement for Proximity Based mod too?
I wonder if my using Progress set to x5 multiplier is what saves me from skill jumps in nGCD with Prox then.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:07 pm

No.

PBSP adds sneak penalties to player. I dont touch player at all.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:00 pm

OK updating ... I still do not understand the sneak attack settings:

; Use Vanilla Sneak Attack scheme: 2x ranged damage at sneak < 25, 3x at sneak >=25; Set any other value to use Stealth Overhaul Sneak Attack scheme; Which is:;;            |                  Marksman; Sneak      | Novice Apprentice Journeym. Expert  Master; -----------+--------------------------------------------; Novice     |   x1       x1       x2       x3       x3   ; Apprentice |   x1       x2       x3       x4       x4 ; Journeyman |   x2       x3       x4       x5       x5; Expert     |   x3       x4       x5       x6       x6  ; Master     |   x3       x4       x5       x6       x7 ;; Also switching to Stealth Overhaul scheme will trigger sneak penalty calculations; for having weapon/shield out and for wearing heavy armor. It will become harder; for NPCs to hideset RenNPCSneakNode.iVanillaSneak to 1 ; default 1

What are the options - what numbers do I pick? Can you give an illustration?

What if I do use Stealth Overhaul?

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:13 am

You dont need to pick any options from this table. It is the table from Stealth Overhaul which illustrates what sneak damage will be depending on PC marksman and sneak.

You need just set RenNPCSneakNode.iVanillaSneak to either 1 - or some other value.

If you choose 1:
NPCs will NOT suffer sneak penalties for having weapon/shield out or wearing heavy armor, and will do 2x "sneak damage" when sneak<25 and 3x damage when sneak>=25 -- same as PC in vanilla.

If you choose not 1:
NPC will suffer sneak penalties for having weapon/shield out or wearing heavy armor, and will do sneak damage from that table -- ie, same as PC in Stealth Overhaul.

My mod is fully compatible with SO, they dont interfere in any way.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:10 pm

Your mod sounds very interesting....and I will try it out for sure! :foodndrink:

I can't pass up a chance; however, to say... "DAoC?!?" Years later I still miss and yearn for the good ole days (from the time the servers went live up to the release of Trials of Atlantis) of open ended, three sided, team based warfare and small skirmishes and the never ending saga of realm and server politics on DAoC Nimue...best MMORPG for PvP and RvR...ever...in its day (still the best RvR concept, IMHO).

Regards,

Hem (f/k/a Hemingwey Albionson - Bastard Son of a Norse Chieftain and a Britton Slave - Midgard Warrior and Jarl of Clan Rampage :wink_smile: )

Here's to all the DAoC players out there: :foodndrink:

Good times... GOOOOOD times. I sorely miss those days too. I completely agree that the RVR/PVP was the most superior I've ever played even to this day. I play every once in a blue moon again, but my latest was well over a year or two ago.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:34 am

1.04 is out!

Tweaked combat behavior: actors will now go into hiding when in combat only with bow drawn. So
you wouldn't see any more of invisible ninjas in melee.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:51 pm

1.04 is out!

Tweaked combat behavior: actors will now go into hiding when in combat only with bow drawn. So
you wouldn't see any more of invisible ninjas in melee.

Perfect. I was holding out on downloading till this. I'll grab it when I get home!

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:02 pm

The default transparency for NPCs of 100% is way too brutal and unrealistic IMO, especially since the NPCs go invisible right before your eyes.
I was about to uninstall this mod when I realized this could be tweaked via the ini file. Setting transparency to be dependent on the NPCs sneak skill and/or increasing the lenght of the combat rounds should give better (as in more realistic) results, I think.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:53 pm

The default transparency for NPCs of 100% is way too brutal and unrealistic IMO, especially since the NPCs go invisible right before your eyes.
I was about to uninstall this mod when I realized this could be tweaked via the ini file. Setting transparency to be dependent on the NPCs sneak skill and/or increasing the lenght of the combat rounds should give better (as in more realistic) results, I think.

I thought transparency already was dependent on NPC sneak skill. Or at least it was with the original mod this is based on. Did this get changed for this mod? I have not yet tested this since I am caught up in my current project, which is being tested with the original mod.

I do agree that combat rounds should be increased a little. That is configurable though Petrus.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:06 pm

I thought transparency already was dependent on NPC sneak skill. Or at least it was with the original mod this is based on. Did this get changed for this mod? I have not yet tested this since I am caught up in my current project, which is being tested with the original mod.

I do agree that combat rounds should be increased a little. That is configurable though Petrus.

I know. After some tweaking it works fine now. Archers are hard to spot but they are not invisible.
But the default ini settings are rather hard core, IMO.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:05 pm

It is rather annoying when my merchant NPCs go invisible as I approach them.

I forgot about there being an ini that sets this.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:35 pm

This mod is considered outdated now.

Please check out a new mod "Haldar's Mods Pack" here : http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1154877-relz-haldars-mods-pack/