[RELZ] Companion Vilja ver 3.0 ! (thread no 7) : IV - Oblivion

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:12 pm

I'd recommend using http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1146374-relz-companion-compatibility/ instead. Should work with all companions and all mod added enemies. Requires OBSE, though.

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Eloise

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:50 pm

Doh! I had forgotten to add a link to Companion Compatibility from Vilja's description page

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Have done so now, on Nexus. Will do so to my web-site as well, but we're currently having severe internet problems, which also affect the server access (I hate dial-up-speed).

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:38 am

:tops: :biggrin:
:foodndrink:

Eloise

Doh! I had forgotten to add a link to Companion Compatibility from Vilja's description page

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Have done so now, on Nexus. Will do so to my web-site as well, but we're currently having severe internet problems, which also affect the server access (I hate dial-up-speed).

So far it works perfectly - and the result is exactly what I want, with my char being the main focus but not weirdly so. For example, my char and Vilja just faced seven Black Bears from MMM. While my char faced most of them in melee and had to focus on that I suddenly heard Vilja shouting and she was facing two of them in close quarters. In short: you tend to get a "natural" mix with most enemies focusing on the PC but Vilja getting in the heat now and then.

Plus http://i55.tinypic.com/10hk0zk.jpg when she even stops and waves you forward when you loiter.

Vilja's waving reminded me of a feature I think I've already brought up a bit vaguely, but that gave me an implementation idea as well. Anyway, I'd like to have hotkeys for Vilja to stay and follow, which would be perfect while sneaking or checking out sections in dungeons in advance. I think I mentioned a dogwhistle, but I suspect Vilja would be a bit iffed by that... So what about a configurable "wave forward" hotkey, with a wave animation just as Vilja's - and a configurable "stop" hotkey with a stop animation? Would be quite immersive and realistic, at least as long as Vilja and the PC stays in view.

I also have the same old issue with low fatigue on Vilja, causing panting etc. when using Realistic Fatigue. Her Stamina/Fatigue is 82, which seems low (?). Stamina/Fatigue (Base) is 262. A bit weirdly (?) turning off encumbrance on Vilja does nothing. Perhaps she could come with an optional Fatigue boost just as Health?

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:45 pm

Vilja's waving reminded me of a feature I think I've already brought up a bit vaguely, but that gave me an implementation idea as well. Anyway, I'd like to have hotkeys for Vilja to stay and follow, which would be perfect while sneaking or checking out sections in dungeons in advance. I think I mentioned a dogwhistle, but I suspect Vilja would be a bit iffed by that... So what about a configurable "wave forward" hotkey, with a wave animation just as Vilja's - and a configurable "stop" hotkey with a stop animation? Would be quite immersive and realistic, at least as long as Vilja and the PC stays in view.

Hotkeys would require OBSE. I'll think about adding it as an optional/bonus feature. Of course you're really asking for at least 3 distinct new features: hotkeys, changes to her AI routines, and player animations. I'm not sure I like the idea of digging into player animations.

I also have the same old issue with low fatigue on Vilja, causing panting etc. when using Realistic Fatigue. Her Stamina/Fatigue is 82, which seems low (?). Stamina/Fatigue (Base) is 262. A bit weirdly (?) turning off encumbrance on Vilja does nothing. Perhaps she could come with an optional Fatigue boost just as Health?

Turning off Vilja's encumbrance setting does nothing to affect Realistic Fatigue, it's completely unrelated to any changes made by that mod. Vilja's encumbrance option simply picks whether she can get over-encumbered like the player or if she should be a standard NPC who can carry any amount of equipment. The purpose of Realistic Fatigue is to make the player and all NPCs have penalties related to low health, stamina, and high encumbrance.

Realistic Fatigue provides it's own (complex) system for managing player and NPC fatigue and is completely unrelated to the issue of being over-encumbered in the way that Vilja's setting works. As far as I can tell, there's nothing we can do to affect Realistic Fatigue from within the Vilja mod itself. Realistic Fatigue effectively takes over Vilja's Stamina attribute using it's own scripts and formulas. We gave her a Restore Fatigue ability, but it doesn't help because Realistic Fatigue will "keep fatigue within limits" according to it's own formulas. You can try tweaking the settings for RF or contact Donovan Baarda for suggestions.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:20 pm

Hotkeys would require OBSE. I'll think about adding it as an optional/bonus feature. Of course you're really asking for at least 3 distinct new features: hotkeys, changes to her AI routines, and player animations. I'm not sure I like the idea of digging into player animations.

Turning off Vilja's encumbrance setting does nothing to affect Realistic Fatigue, it's completely unrelated to any changes made by that mod. Vilja's encumbrance option simply picks whether she can get over-encumbered like the player or if she should be a standard NPC who can carry any amount of equipment. The purpose of Realistic Fatigue is to make the player and all NPCs have penalties related to low health, stamina, and high encumbrance.

Realistic Fatigue provides it's own (complex) system for managing player and NPC fatigue and is completely unrelated to the issue of being over-encumbered in the way that Vilja's setting works. As far as I can tell, there's nothing we can do to affect Realistic Fatigue from within the Vilja mod itself. Realistic Fatigue effectively takes over Vilja's Stamina attribute using it's own scripts and formulas. We gave her a Restore Fatigue ability, but it doesn't help because Realistic Fatigue will "keep fatigue within limits" according to it's own formulas. You can try tweaking the settings for RF or contact Donovan Baarda for suggestions.

Thanks. Come to think of it, I think I asked the same questions a while ago and you answered so sorry for that. Hm, I wonder if it would be possible to make a universal stay/come hotkeys OBSE-mod that would work on anyone in follow mode? Anyway, many thanks for Vilja - she's even more impressive for every release. :foodndrink:

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:12 pm

Gosh, I did feel horrible telling Vilja to shut up earlier! She sounded most put out!

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:30 pm

I was attacked by a wraith-like creature from Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul that paralyzes with fear and I believe Vilja was also hit by this creature, as she is now permanently lying on her back, even if I summon her to a new location.

Any suggestion to help her stand up again?

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:22 pm

I was attacked by a wraith-like creature from Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul that paralyzes with fear and I believe Vilja was also hit by this creature, as she is now permanently lying on her back, even if I summon her to a new location.

Any suggestion to help her stand up again?

Assuming you have the latest ver 3.0.1 of Vilja: Have you tried casting her Vilja Start Combat spell on her? It should help to reset her AI. If this doesn't help, summon her to a safe interior location and leave her there for +72 game hours. (going somewhere else and just wait +72 game hours should be sufficient). When you return to her, she should hopefully be 'normal' again.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:37 pm

I was attacked by a wraith-like creature from Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul that paralyzes with fear and I believe Vilja was also hit by this creature, as she is now permanently lying on her back, even if I summon her to a new location.

Any suggestion to help her stand up again?

I see that Emma has give you the solution to your problem already. About the cause, that's only a long lasting paralizing effect. Last time my character was affected a cure paralization potion solved it, so, no scripts nor attribute messing, it's only a common paralizing effect. I suppose it's the same with NPCs. If Vilja didn't recover in a few minutes, or upon casting a cure paralization or dispel on her, the cause is other.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:44 pm

I was attacked by a wraith-like creature from Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul that paralyzes with fear and I believe Vilja was also hit by this creature, as she is now permanently lying on her back, even if I summon her to a new location.

Any suggestion to help her stand up again?

Can you still talk to her? Even if you talk to her does she still stay on the floor doing nothing? Do you have installed toaster says share and CM Partners? If you answered yes to these questions it is a bug that I've read about and encountered in my game several times. The only solution I know is loading a save before Vilja got stuck.

Anyway now to what I wanted to say

First of all thanks again Emma for Vilja! In the past I felt lonely in Oblivion, even with other companions, but now with Vilja that feeling is long gone. I don't even feel the need to get other companions, Vilja is enough. I am curious though what companion mod is similar to this one, in Morrowind? Is it Julan Ashlander? I want the same feeling there also

And I remembered a problem I encountered with the new version, and I wanted to ask about it but forgot until now. When I tell Vilja to take the lead nothing happens, she just follows me. Is this a known problem or its just in my case?

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:31 pm

Can you still talk to her? Even if you talk to her does she still stay on the floor doing nothing? Do you have installed toaster says share and CM Partners? If you answered yes to these questions it is a bug that I've read about and encountered in my game several times. The only solution I know is loading a save before Vilja got stuck.

Anyway now to what I wanted to say

First of all thanks again Emma for Vilja! In the past I felt lonely in Oblivion, even with other companions, but now with Vilja that feeling is long gone. I don't even feel the need to get other companions, Vilja is enough. I am curious though what companion mod is similar to this one, in Morrowind? Is it Julan Ashlander? I want the same feeling there also

And I remembered a problem I encountered with the new version, and I wanted to ask about it but forgot until now. When I tell Vilja to take the lead nothing happens, she just follows me. Is this a known problem or its just in my case?

So it's the combination of these mods that causes the fall-over-bug? I've read about it, Brozly has had problems with it I know, but I thought the cause wasn't related to companion mods but to other mods affecting the companions. Well, that's interesting news

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I didn't think of the fall-over-bug as the problems started with a paralyze-spell, but you might very well be right about this. An Alternate solution when the companion has the fall-over-bug is to grab everything in her inventory and then call up the console and type 'resurrect'. That should make her return to normal again, but make sure she didn't have anything of value in the inventory, cause it will be gone. (You shouldn't lose the journal entries or anything when doing this - it's just the inventory content that will vanish).

I'm glad that you are so much enjoying Vilja's company in Cyrodiil

. In Morrowind, Julan Ashlander is probably the very best companion mod. I am ashamed to admit this, but I haven't played the mod :blush:, i.e. I *have* played an early WIP-version of it that Kateri showed me, but I haven't played the mod in it's finished state. A good side-kick to Julan would be Thief companion Constance by me and Grumpy. Now, Constance is from 2005, and at her time she was the Morrowind equivalent to Vilja, but Kateri pushed the bar further with Julan. Naturally Constance and Julan interact and are aware of each other, as well as of my other companions; Laura, Morgana, the Lokken companions. But I'm still not sure you'll get the same feeling as with Vilja. The difference (IMO) is the game AI - Vilja has facial expressions, and she has a voiced dialog, she can 'do' things on her own, like go shopping. This wasn't possible in Morrowind, and as you have played Oblivion first, you'll probably be very aware of the limitations caused by the less advanced AI in Morrowind. Regardless, Julan should give you many good laughs, and using him and Constance in combo will probably be fun.

The problem with the new version of Vilja: I think I can guess, as I have just heard the same twice. You are using a custom Vilja, right? Disable her for a second and check what happens. I'm pretty sure the vanilla Vilja will lead just fine. And then my guess is that you for some reason don't have the newest version of the custom-esp. Make sure you download the newest customization pack, that should help just fine. If you have your own unique Vilja and don't want to do the work with hr face again, there are instructions in the new customization-pack on how to update 'your' Vilja so that she uses the ai-packages for leading the way.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:28 am

Thank you for the advice about using Constance together with Julan, I will do that

. Actually I did play Morrowind before Oblivion, just not with mods, so I am used to the limitations and don't bother me much

Actually I am using the vanilla Vilja, version 3.1, I didn't want to change your original vision of Vilja. So the problem maybe lies somewhere else?

Here is my load order:

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I discovered the problem. The FCOM Vilja patches. I rebuilt the patch without them and now Vilja leads with no problems.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:43 pm

I realised that I was still using version 2 so I've upgraded, and I love the new features (even if Vilja never seems to have any idea where she's going!). A couple of really minor things:

1. You requested tips on pronunciation. It's "Vi-vec" (to rhyme with "hit") rather than "Vye-vec" (to rhyme with "dry")
2. Suggestion on interaction with NPCs - when the guard says "you have my ear, citizen", she could say "well, I'm not giving it back!"

:D

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:44 pm

Just dropping by to thanks Emma and CDCooley for Vilja, the besteresterest companion evah! I had a problem with the FCOM patches too so I've checked them with TES4Edit and I've seen they have less AIPackages than those contained in 1em_vilja.esp. I've rebuilt the Bashed Patch without them and everything works fine.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:21 pm

Thank you for the advice about using Constance together with Julan, I will do that

. Actually I did play Morrowind before Oblivion, just not with mods, so I am used to the limitations and don't bother me much

Actually I am using the vanilla Vilja, version 3.1, I didn't want to change your original vision of Vilja. So the problem maybe lies somewhere else?

Here is my load order:

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  underdark.esm02  Cybiades.esm  [Version 2.0]03  Windfall.esm04  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]05  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]06  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]07  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]08  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]09  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]0A  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm0B  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm0C  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]0D  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0E  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0F  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm10  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.8.3]11  bookplacing.esm  [Version 1]12  CURP_Controller.esm13  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]14  CM Partners.esm15  Toaster Says Share v3.esm16  EyeCandy - Content.esm17  HorseCombatMaster.esm18  TRoN.esp19  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.3]1A  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp1B  DLCShiveringIsles.esp1C  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp1D  Better Cities .esp1E  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp1F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp20  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp21  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FranDarkSeducerWeapFix.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]22  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]23  Atmospheric Loading Screens - Random Quotes.esp24  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.1]25  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.0]26  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.7]27  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp28  MIS.esp29  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp2A  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.1]2B  WindowLightingSystem.esp2C  Book Jackets Oblivion - BP.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]2D  Reznod_Mannequin.esp2E  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.1]2F  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]30  Dynamic Map.esp  [Version 1.0.1]31  kuerteeCleanUp.esp32  Quest Log Manager.esp  [Version 1.3.2]33  Streamline 3.1.esp34  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.8]35  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]36  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.1.1]37  DLCOrrery.esp38  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]39  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp3A  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]3B  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]3C  EyeCandy Compilation.esp++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp++  CSR - Golden Saint.esp3D  Hentai_Compilation.esp3E  Francesco's Mage Equipment.esp3F  Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp40  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]41  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]42  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]43  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]44  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  CSR - Fine Iron.esp**  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]45  OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp  [Version 1.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]46  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]47  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]48  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]49  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4A  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4B  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]4C  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp4D  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]4E  Imperial Furniture Renovated.esp4F  BHC_Expanded.esp  [Version 1.2]50  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp51  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp52  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp53  Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp54  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp55  GlenvarCastle.esp56  Malevolent.esp57  MountainTower.esp  [Version 6.0]58  Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp59  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]5A  VHBloodlines 1.2.esp  [Version 1.5]5B  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp5C  Windfall.esp5D  DLCFrostcrag.esp++  DLCFrostcrag_MysticEmporiumPatch.esp5E  FrostcragRebornCobl.esp5F  Knights.esp60  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp61  Cybiades.esp  [Version 2.1]62  CybiadesDungeon.esp  [Version 2.1]++  cybCrashFix.esp63  RTT.esp64  RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.1]65  The Lost Spires.esp66  Origin of the Mages Guild.esp  [Version 7.3]67  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.2.COBL]68  Rumare-AFK_Weye Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]69  MannimarcoRevisited.esp6A  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp  [Version 0.9.9]6B  FCOM_OMG.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_OMGSRT.esp  [Version 0.9.9]6C  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp++  FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  EDI - Aggression Fix.esp6D  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.5]6E  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]6F  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp70  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]71  xulTheHeath.esp72  MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp73  XulEntiusGorge.esp74  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]75  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp76  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]77  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]78  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]79  Castle_Almgard-V2.esp7A  KragenirsDeathQuest-LostCoast patch.esp7B  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]7C  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]7D  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]7E  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]7F  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]80  KragenirsDeathQuest-CloudtopMountains patch.esp81  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]82  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]83  HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp84  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]85  MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp86  KragenirsDeathQuest-RollingHills patch.esp87  xulPantherRiver.esp88  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]89  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]8A  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]8B  RegionReviveLakeRumare-ImperialIsle patch.esp  [Version 1.3.4]8C  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]8D  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]8E  KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp8F  DungeonsOfIvellon-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp90  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]91  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]92  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0]93  FrostcragReborn-Snowdale patch.esp94  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp95  BravilSeaDomes.esp96  bartholm.esp97  bartholm - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]98  FightersGuildContracts.esp99  Better Cities - House price patch.esp  [Version 1.0]9A  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]9B  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]9C  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 2.0.1]9D  DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp9E  DecoratorAssistant Unlock for OBSE version.esp9F  Enhanced Vegetation [125%].espA0  Soulgem Magic.esp  [Version 1.0]A1  Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp  [Version 1.0]A2  Quest Award Leveller.esp  [Version 2.0.1]++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp  [Version 2.1.0]A3  StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.espA4  StarX VVR_OOO_FCOM Patch.espA5  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]A6  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_COBL.espA7  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_UnlockSpells.esp  [Version 0.70]++  SM_NoSpellLights.esp  [Version 0.70]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]A8  MidasSpells.espA9  Midas OscuroGems.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Midas Creature Ingredients.espAA  Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.espAB  Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp++  SM_DeadlyReflex.esp  [Version 0.86]AC  nGCD.espAD  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]AE  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]AF  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]B0  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]B1  ProgressRacial.espB2  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]B3  SP1stPLegs.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.76]B4  CM Partners.espB5  CM Partners NPC.espB6  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 3.1]**  1em_Vilja OOO FCOM Fix.esp++  1em_Vilja MMM Fix.espB7  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]B8  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]B9  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]BA  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]BB  bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp  [Version 9.0EV-D]BC  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]BD  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]BE  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]++  bgIntegrationEV - Unique Clothes.esp  [Version 0.99]BF  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.8.3]C0  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.7.0]C1  Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp  [Version 4.8.0]C2  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 4.7.0]C3  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 4.8.1]C4  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 4.8.1]C5  Better Cities - VHBloodlines.esp  [Version 4.7.0]C6  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.8.1]C7  Better Imperial City - OMG.esp  [Version 4.7.0]C8  Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp  [Version 4.7.0]C9  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]CA  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 4.8.1]CB  DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.espCC  StokerWolff.espCD  UnderdarkSaga.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]CE  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.1]CF  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I discovered the problem. The FCOM Vilja patches. I rebuilt the patch without them and now Vilja leads with no problems.

Just dropping by to thanks Emma and CDCooley for Vilja, the besteresterest companion evah! I had a problem with the FCOM patches too so I've checked them with TES4Edit and I've seen they have less AIPackages than those contained in 1em_vilja.esp. I've rebuilt the Bashed Patch without them and everything works fine.

Thank you!

I'll update the information on Vilja to explain that you'll either have to update the AI-packages or (probably best alternative) use Shadowborn's Companion Compatibility mod instead.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:03 am

I'll update the information on Vilja to explain that you'll either have to update the AI-packages or (probably best alternative) use Shadowborn's Companion Compatibility mod instead.

So Companion Compatibility Mod removes the necessity for the Vilja FCOM patches? I'll install it right away if this is the case and stop using those patches.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:57 pm

So Companion Compatibility Mod removes the necessity for the Vilja FCOM patches? I'll install it right away if this is the case and stop using those patches.

Anyway, if later you decide to return to using FCOM patches, use only one of them.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:13 am

So it's the combination of these mods that causes the fall-over-bug? I've read about it, Brozly has had problems with it I know, but I thought the cause wasn't related to companion mods but to other mods affecting the companions. Well, that's interesting news

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I didn't think of the fall-over-bug as the problems started with a paralyze-spell, but you might very well be right about this. An Alternate solution when the companion has the fall-over-bug is to grab everything in her inventory and then call up the console and type 'resurrect'. That should make her return to normal again, but make sure she didn't have anything of value in the inventory, cause it will be gone. (You shouldn't lose the journal entries or anything when doing this - it's just the inventory content that will vanish).

Well, I'm not using toaster says share Or CM Partners, Vilja hasn't been plauged in quite awhile, but Viconia's been getting bit quite a lot lately.
I suspect it's something simalar to the Low Health issue, witch appears to be caused by a ModAV command, (If I whack her with an enchanted sword, her Max Health drops) Probably a Token added by a Mod.
I will often get the Paralized effect after changing levels or Exiting ruins, I had one save just before exiting, where she seemd to be fine, but Paralized after exiting, upon reload of that save, she was allready paralized.

*Oh, and as far as Pronuceations go, I think Vilja's are just Perfect for her...

(After all, her Voice actress has been around "Vye-vec" a Lot longer than her) :biggrin:

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:20 am

Great companion mod, but I seem to have encountered a problem. Whenever I summon a creature with spells zombies/skeletons/daedra etc Vilja attacks them on sight. Anyone else have this problem or is it a compatibility issue?

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:06 am

Turning off Vilja's encumbrance setting does nothing to affect Realistic Fatigue, it's completely unrelated to any changes made by that mod. Vilja's encumbrance option simply picks whether she can get over-encumbered like the player or if she should be a standard NPC who can carry any amount of equipment. The purpose of Realistic Fatigue is to make the player and all NPCs have penalties related to low health, stamina, and high encumbrance.

Realistic Fatigue provides it's own (complex) system for managing player and NPC fatigue and is completely unrelated to the issue of being over-encumbered in the way that Vilja's setting works. As far as I can tell, there's nothing we can do to affect Realistic Fatigue from within the Vilja mod itself. Realistic Fatigue effectively takes over Vilja's Stamina attribute using it's own scripts and formulas. We gave her a Restore Fatigue ability, but it doesn't help because Realistic Fatigue will "keep fatigue within limits" according to it's own formulas. You can try tweaking the settings for RF or contact Donovan Baarda for suggestions.

So if I understand it correctly, nothing can be done "on the Vilja side" so to speak? I've tried using Feather spells on her ingame and also to add a Feather respectively a Fortify Fatigue ability to her via the CS, but that doesn't help. I've also tuned down Realistic Fatigue effects a bit in its ini - so this is with a "lighter" RF.

Great companion mod, but I seem to have encountered a problem. Whenever I summon a creature with spells zombies/skeletons/daedra etc Vilja attacks them on sight. Anyone else have this problem or is it a compatibility issue?

Just want to note that I've never had any such issue with summons and Vilja.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:00 pm

So if I understand it correctly, nothing can be done "on the Vilja side" so to speak? I've tried using Feather spells on her ingame and also to add a Feather respectively a Fortify Fatigue ability to her via the CS, but that doesn't help. I've also tuned down Realistic Fatigue effects a bit in its ini - so this is with a "lighter" RF.

Just want to note that I've never had any such issue with summons and Vilja.

Kinda sounds like the Same type issue, (I had problems with High fatuge, but by that point they appeared to be Doomed, (only a matter of time before they'd get the Paralized bug)) if it get's too bad you can always try the "Resurrect" through the Counsel...

(I haven't noticed any problems with Summons either)

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:31 pm

Great companion mod, but I seem to have encountered a problem. Whenever I summon a creature with spells zombies/skeletons/daedra etc Vilja attacks them on sight. Anyone else have this problem or is it a compatibility issue?

Many people has reported many problems, but I didn't remember something like that. Going for the compability issue hypothesis, I would start unchecking later released and less common (downloadable in little known websites) mods. Consider suspicion also, any mod that change summoning in any way.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:08 pm

(After all, her Voice actress has been around "Vye-vec" a Lot longer than her) :biggrin:

That's why I never mentioned it before.

I think it's time for a lock now. Onto thread 8! Have a limerick in the meantime:

There once was a [person] from [place]
Whose [body part] was [special case].
When [event] would occur,
It would cause [him or her]
To violate [law of time/space].