1: allow the player to grab ledges and grabable items and climb them.

the game already has a nice animation system, it shouldent be hard to animate for a team of profesionals.
its a realy simple mechanic, aim at ledge, press the use button and then move forward to climb.
to add lots of depth, the player could possibly grab a handhold, move up to grab another handhold, and climb all the way up. entire dungeons could be built from this mechanic!

for the player, this would be- aim for object, grab object,aim for and grab next object. use the arrow keys to control your body whilst holding it, you could climb up, sideways, down and over ledges, you should also be able to jump from a wall onto another wall, or perhaps even risk a jumping grab.

2: make the duck/sneak key interesting!

sprinting and then holding duck down should put the player into a slide tackle- you should be able to slide down big slopes like this on mountains, or perhaps slide across lakes- but the main thing to do is to dodge things and quickly escape through low objects
jumping from a great hight and ducking at the last moment should put the player into a roll, if the player is thrown by a spell or a creature then the player should also be able to roll to land with less damage and faster getting up.

3: a jump spell...

4: the ability to run a little on walls- not a lot like some high fantasy games, but a little. but this should be nigh impossible in heavy Armour and should require a high acrobatics skill

5: a wall walking spell

play the game aliens vs predator ( the one from 1999 or avp2 ) and you will see what i mean , it would be fantastic for stealth players

Sorry to do this to you, but if Im not mistaken Acrobatics has been removed.

I know, I was upset too.

There's nothing definitive that I'm aware of. I think the most commonly accepted view, though, is that it's been merged with athletics.

I think your correct because I cant think of the exact source. But I thought I read somewhere about the changes from 'jumping around in oblivion" to level acrobatics.

Who knows. I hate media. I didnt care nearly as much about MW and OB before they came out and never followed either. But both turned out to be my favorite games of all time. Coincidence?

It was a fairly useless skill. So was athletics. I certainly wouldn't miss it if it was gone.

Actually, I would use Acrobatics on every stealth/combat character simply because of the roll/dodge ability.

You may be right, but I can't help wondering if all those uneven, natural-looking surfaces cause trouble for animators trying to make climbing look good.

Yes, this has been missed for a long time. Should also be possible whether acrobatics are in or not, every character should have the ability (of course it will be more useful the higher you can jump, but if it's out...).

I jumped EVERYWHERE in OB and MW by habit. It just made everything seem faster.

For this reason my acrobatics always leveled up quickly.

I would pick acrobatics as a main skill because I knew it would be an easy one to level up, therefore easy to gain me levels.

Thats just what I did I know not everyone thinks the same way. I personally liked both.

But im old fashioned. I always say more options. Id rather see things added than taken away.....not in all situations but most.

Simple things? Getting NPCs climb ladders isn't a simple thing, how can you say grabbing mountain sides rocks would be simple?

Ahh these things all sound very simple :facepalm:

Nice ideas but wall climbing is better then wall run, climbing and grappling ledges will be nice options for thieves and warriors, while mages can jump and levitate over such obstacles.
NPC definitely must able reach player at high places.


Oh well Gothic game was out in 2001 and have such feature for NPC and player,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0xZNcIRauA
thats was ten years ago, does Bethesda still have "ladders curse" in 2011?

it was removed

never saw the appeal behind acrobatics really :shrug:

never used it in MW or OB ... meh

The most important thing I learned from TES is that jumping is faster than running. I CONSTANTLY press jump as I travel, ALWAYS. Its faster and its fun If you can jump really high and get on buildings and stuff. Jumping off of a cliff and flying down with a power attack on an enemies head is epic.

You've played too much of assassins creed and crysis 2. this is elder scrolls.

:blink: :unsure: So let me get this straight.... no acrobtics and no levitation? So what governs how jumpability (if that's a word) and ability to access lofty places? Is there now just a "jump" key and all characters jump the same X meters? Eeeeeek, you've got me concerned now

I'm willing to bet that acrobatics has been mixed with another skill (most likely athletics)

All your wishes will be made reality in "TES Adventures: Eye of Argonia", the spiritual successor of "TES Adventures: Redguard" :teehee:

That was my thought.... alot of games that have large amounts of climbing in them - don't the level designs have to define what edges are "grabbable"? (Well, or they have really square level design, and have every edge with air above it defined that way....)


I'm sure you can make up a physics & animation system that could do a realtime check when you leap near anything with something vaguely edgelike, and allow you to grab it... but that doesn't seem like a simple thing anymore.


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As for the main topic - no, I don't particularly think that adding "platforming elements" to Skyrim would be that much of an improvement. They certainly haven't in the few RPGs I've played that decided to add a "platforming" dungeon for the kicks, at least. (that covers edge grabbing and slide tackles..... as for the wall running..... eh, do we really need the game to be Prince of Persia/the Matrix?)

Pole vault with a pole arm

Tightrope walking.

It was far from useless.

Needs an update but far from useless.

These aren't really easy things to do. If you look at a game that does climbing well that is basically all the game is about like AC. Most of the time you are parkouring, with little bits of fighting and story to mix it up (although the story and fighting is rather good) And if you look at other games that have it (Gothic, Shooters with ladders), it just doesn't look very good. The first thing I noticed in the linked Gothic video is how bad the climbing looks, is a person in full armor really able to pull himself up a ledge with so much strength he actually clears the ledge by a few fee? Doubtful.

I like the slide thing though. Wasn't it said somewhere (I think it was GI, in the mag or one of the articles) that sprinting at an enemy might knock them down? I think switching to sneak while sprinting could do something like this, as long as you trip and ragdoll if you do it at a rock or something

Being able to climb and to grab onto and interact with things in the world would certainly add a lot of fun value to the game.

I mean, System Shock 2 allowed you to grab onto ledges and pull yourself up as long as you could reach them.

Usually it was more of a stack of boxes than a ledge but whatever...