Special Mod DetectionFCOM detected.OOO detected.Better Cities detected.Recognised And Re-ordered Mod FilesOblivion.esm    * Note: Masterlist Revision: 2171All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.0]Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm [Version 4.5bSI]    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Invent, Delev, Relev, Actors.AIData,Actors.Stats, Stats}}Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm [Version 4.5bSI]Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34 Beta 5]    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.Spells,Graphics,Invent,Scripts,Stats,Relations}}Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.Spells,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7]    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Delev,Factions,Relations,Relev}}Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 4.8.4]HorseCombatMaster.esmUnofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]    * Note: Use Standalone MOBS if using Frans or OMOBS if using FCOM\OOO. Both versions can be found here: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=28537    * Note: Recommend installing UOP Supplemental for additional fixes: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=27710    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.CombatStyle,Actors.DeathItem,Actors.Stats,C.Climate,C.Light,C.Music,C.Name,C.Owner,Creatures.Blood,Delev,Factions,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}} and remove the C.Water tag (only exist in older version).DLCShiveringIsles.espUnofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]    * Note: Remember to use the 'MOBS' version when using Francesco's and FCOM.    * Note: Newest MOBS and non-MOBS versions have the same name.    * Note: Alternatively, consider using the standalone MOBS/OMOBS mods together with the non-MOBS patch.    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.DeathItem,Actors.Stats,C.Climate,C.Light,C.Name,C.Owner,Delev,Factions,Invent,Names,Relev,Scripts,Stats,Relations}}Better Cities .esp    * Note: Dummy file to load Better Cities .BSAFrancesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.espFrancesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.espFrancesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.espFrancesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp    * Requires: Shivering Isles expansion.    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.ACBS,Actors.Stats}}FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]    * Requires: Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items 4.5b.FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]    * Requires: Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items 4.5b.    * Requires: Francesco's supplementary addon package.FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]    * Requires: Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items 4.5b.All Natural.esp [Version 1.1]    * Note: Required for All Natural. Make sure this is active and not just imported into your Bashed Patch.    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:C.Climate}}All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.0]    * Note: Required for All Natural SI support. Make sure this is active and not just imported into your Bashed Patch.    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:C.Climate}}All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.1]    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Graphics,Scripts}}    * Note: Do not use with original Real Lights mod.ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp    * Note: Deactivate CLocksOfCyrodiil.espDarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp [Version 19]    * Requires: OBSE v19+, Pluggy v125b+ or ConScribe v9.0+ and DarNified UI or DarkUI'd DarN.DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.4]Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp [Version 1.1]    * Requires: 'FCOM_BobsArmory.esp'.FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]    * Requires: 'Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp'.    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Relev,Delev}}Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34 Beta 5]    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.ACBS,Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.CombatStyle,Actors.Spells,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,R.ChangeSpells,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33]OOO-DLT_Remover.esp [Version 1.33]OMOBS.esp [Version 1.0]    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:NoMerge,Stats}}OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 1.0]    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:NoMerge,Stats}}OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.0]FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9]    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.ACBS,Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackagesForceAdd,Actors.CombatStyle,Actors.DeathItem,Actors.Spells,Actors.SpellsForceAdd,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Delev,Relev}}Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]    * Note: Use either 'More Wilderness Life' or 'More Wilderness Life No Gates' but not both.Mart's Monster Mod - No Pests.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - No Swarms.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - No Reavers.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - No Blood.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - No Giants.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - No Fiends.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - No Werewolves.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - No Lanterns.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - No Adventurers.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - No Beholdens.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - No Uberhulks.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - No Skeep.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - No Balrogs.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Invent,Scripts,Stats}}Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.AIPackages,Graphics,Scripts}}    * Incompatible with: Slof's Horses or Slof's Extra Horses or use Wrye Bash Bashed PatchMart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]    * Requires: MMM and MMM Gems & Gem Dust    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Delev}}Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34 Beta 5]00RBScribeSupplies Intensive.esp    * Note: Use only one 00RBScribeSupplies mod at a time.00RBScribeSupplies02, read summary.esp    * Note: Use only one 00RBScribeSupplies mod at a time.JolardHome.esp [Version 4.7.0]Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.espAll Natural - Nascosto Isles Weather Patch.esp [Version 2.0]Slof's Oblivion Goth Shop.esp [Version 4.8.4]VaultsofCyrodiilBC.espza_bankmod.esp    * Note: For use with Better Cities use replacing fix for BBC.Knights.esp    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Actors.AIPackages,Factions}}The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp    * Requires: 'FCOM_DulanCult.esp'.xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5]xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]xulTheHeath.espXulEntiusGorge.espxulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]    * Note: Make sure version is 1.6.3 or later.xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.1]xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3]xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:C.Water}}xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]xulPantherRiver.esp [Version 1.1.1]xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1]xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.6]xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0]xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2]xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.1]xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.2]xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp [Version 1.0]Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Graphics,Scripts}}    * Note: Make sure you have v3.0.1 or later, which removes a CTD bug with the Harrada root.Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]Short Grass V3.espDeadly Reflex 6 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp    * Note: Use no more than one Timed Block plugin.Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.espDRSplatter.esp    * Requires: OBGEv2.OOO-Level_Stock.esp [Version 1.33]ActorsInEmotions.esp [Version 1.0]SP1stPLegs.espBetter Cities Full.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities SKINGRAD.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities - Skingrad Outer District.esp [Version 4.8.1]Better Cities BRAVIL.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities BRAVIL - Blood & Mud.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities - CUO Bravil Patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]    * Note: Use only one Better Cities *version* - CUO Bravil Patch.espBetter Cities B&M - CUO Bravil Patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]    * Note: Use only one Better Cities *version* - CUO Bravil Patch.espBetter Cities Full B&M - CUO Bravil Patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]    * Note: Use only one Better Cities *version* - CUO Bravil Patch.espBetter Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp [Version 4.7.0]Better Cities ANVIL.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities - Brew House.esp [Version 4.7.0]Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp [Version 4.8.0]    * Incompatible with: Ruined Tail's Tale v2.5.    * Requires: Ruined Tail's Tale v3+.Better Cities CHORROL.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities - CUO Chorrol Patch.esp [Version 4.8.4]    * Note: Use only one Better Cities *version* - CUO Chorrol Patch.espBetter Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp [Version 4.8.4]    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:C.Water}}Better Cities - Knightly Armory.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities CHEYDINHAL.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp [Version 4.7.0]Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp [Version 4.8.1]    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:C.Water}}Better Cities LEYAWIIN.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities - CUO Leyawiin Patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]Better Cities Full - CUO Leyawiin Patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]Better Cities Full B&M - CUO Leyawiin Patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]Better Cities BRUMA.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities - CUO Bruma Patch.esp [Version 4.8.0]    * Note: Only use one version of the BC - CUO Bruma Patch.Better Cities Full - CUO Bruma Patch.esp [Version 4.8.0]    * Note: Only use one version of the BC - CUO Bruma Patch.Better Cities Full B&M - CUO Bruma Patch.esp [Version 4.8.0]    * Note: Only use one version of the BC - CUO Bruma Patch.Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp [Version 4.8.1]    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:C.Water}}Better Cities - Skyrim Nords.esp [Version 4.8.0]Better Cities - Thievery.esp [Version 4.8.0]Better Cities - TIE Restricted Area.espBetter Cities - Valley View Estate.esp [Version 4.7.0]Better Cities - VHBloodlines.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities - Werewolf-Legends.esp [Version 4.8.4]TrailsOfCyrodiil-BC patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp [Version 4.7.0]Better Cities Full - B&M Edition FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.8.4]    * Note: Only use if using Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.espBetter Cities IC Arboretum.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities IC Arcane University.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities IC Arena.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities IC Elven Gardens.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities IC Green Emperor Way.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities IC Market.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities IC Prison.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities IC Talos Plaza.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities IC Temple.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities IC Waterfront.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Imperial City.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.8.1]    * Note: Only use if using Better Imperial City.espBetter Cities - OMG.esp [Version 4.7.0]    * Note: Use only one Better *version* - OMG Patch.espBetter Imperial City - OMG.esp [Version 4.7.0]    * Note: Use only one Better *version* - OMG Patch.espBetter Cities - sixlivion_0.4a_Full_English_v1.esp [Version 4.7.0]Better Cities - sixlivion.esp [Version 4.7.0]Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp [Version 4.7.0]Better Cities - Old Crow Inn.esp [Version 4.7.0]Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2.1]Better Cities - Dwemer Subway.esp [Version 4.8.1]Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp [Version 4.8.1]Better Cities - Vvardenfell Imports.esp [Version 4.7.0]Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities Skingrad FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]    * Note: Only use if using the separate Better Cities .espsBetter Cities Leyawiin FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]    * Note: Only use if using the separate Better Cities .espsBetter Cities Chorrol FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.8.4]    * Note: Only use if using the separate Better Cities .espsBetter Cities Cheydinhal FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]    * Note: Only use if using the separate Better Cities .espsBetter Cities Bruma FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.8.0]    * Note: Only use if using the separate Better Cities .espsBetter Cities Bravil - Blood & Mud FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]    * Note: Only use if using the separate Better Cities .esps    * Note: Only use if using Blood & Mud version of Better Cities.Better Cities Anvil FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.8.0]    * Note: Only use if using the separate Better Cities .espsBetter Cities IC Tunnel FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]Better Cities IC Temple FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]    * Note: Only use if using the separate Better Cities .espsBetter Cities IC Talos Plaza FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]    * Note: Only use if using the separate Better Cities .espsBetter Cities IC Prison FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]    * Note: Only use if using the separate Better Cities .espsBetter Cities IC Market FPS Patch.esp    * Note: Only use if using the separate Better Cities .espsBetter Cities IC Elven Gardens FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]    * Note: Only use if using the separate Better Cities .espsBetter Cities IC Arcane University FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]    * Note: Only use if using the separate Better Cities .espsBetter Cities IC Arboretum FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]    * Note: Only use if using the separate Better Cities .espsBetter Cities IC Waterfront FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp [Version 4.7.0]Better Cities - Oblivion Collectible Cards.esp [Version 4.8.4]Better Cities - Halcyon Island.esp [Version 4.7.0]Visually Enchanted Fire 3.esp    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Graphics,Deactivate}}Visually Enchanted Frost 3.esp    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Graphics,Deactivate}}Visually Enchanted Shock 3.esp [Version 1.0]    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Graphics,Deactivate}}DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Graphics}}    * Requires: NifSE (http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=21292)    * Requires: Drop Lit Torches OBSE (http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16282)All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.1]    * Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH:Filter,C.Climate,Deactivate}}Bashed Patch, 0.esp [Version 2011-01-15 19:21:08]Unrecogised Mod FilesReorder these by hand using your favourite mod ordering utility.Unknown mod file: Better Cities Full - CUO Bravil Patch.espDone.

Everytime I start up obse_loader, Oblivion Launcher or Oblivion.exe the game crashes without any kind of msg.
The black "box" comes up but disappears after half a second.

I previously made a thread about the same thing, and I re-installed and it all worked.

But now I tried to install mods again and it worked until I installed Better Cities I believe it was.
I don't know much about modding so I am sorry if the answer is obvious, but I just can't fix it.

Help VERY appreciated.
/vinnst

EDIT: I just found this "* Note: For use with Better Cities use replacing fix for BBC."
Where can I find this fix, or how should I do?

Vinnst

Your first problem is your just installing every esp that comes packaged with the mod. You NEED to READ the readmes and understand what your are installing.

An example of this is you have Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot and Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.

Its crashing on start up because your missing masters, because alot of the Better City esps you have in there are patches in which you are missing the original mod. Example: Better Cities - Valley View Estate (I didn't see the original mod in your list).


Read the Readmes specifically of Better Cities and Mart's Monster Mod.

Here's a couple of links to the forum threads if you need further assistance;
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1138558-relz-bananasplits-better-cities-thread-38/
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1152645-relz-fcom-convergence-and-ufcom/

Very much what furyfish said.

But first thing I would suggest you do is follow http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35230.

It's designed for everyone from complete beginners to "kinda experts", with regards to Wrye Bash.

But yes, do read all readme files too. And the very BOSS log you just posted. Read that too. Thoroughly. And follow its advice.

Using lots of mods requires a bit of reading, and following guidelines. There is NO getting around this. It's just the way it is. Best time to start, is right now, as they say.

All the best.

I don't see any glaring problems with your load order, except what the other people posted. What OBSE plugins are you running?

It's a shambles, hence the issues are extremely likely to have absolutely nothing to do with OBSE.

Though, come to think of it, it's possible that such plugins are in similar disarray. But seriously, that load order is... not good, let's just say.

A quick look at the list of ESMs and ESPs will tell you that. A very quick read through BOSS's comments in the same list might make it even more clear. And so on.