[Relz] Bananasplit's Better Cities - Thread 38 : IV - Oblivion

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:37 pm

Our installation instructions are feeling neglected :sad:

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:40 am

Our installation instructions are feeling neglected :sad:

I read em. I was just thrown off by of the two resource packages listed one is listed as final and the other as a release number other then the main file number. Unless Im missing something else entirely. On a different note I did actually download the extra resource one I just never installed/activated it.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:11 am

Installed great, kinda. In the IC Market the is an issue with the original ground showing through. All over the place. Did I do something wrong, because those instructions were pretty easy, especially since I didn't need any of the patches for other mods or the FPS patches either. Any help would be great.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:33 pm

Got it running after installing the extra resources. I just have to say oh my lord it's gorgeous and all kinds of awesome. Thank you for the amazing work.

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:51 pm

Installed great, kinda. In the IC Market the is an issue with the original ground showing through. All over the place. Did I do something wrong, because those instructions were pretty easy, especially since I didn't need any of the patches for other mods or the FPS patches either. Any help would be great.

Check your load order, you've put BC IC in the wrong place, most likely.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:08 am

Installed great, kinda. In the IC Market the is an issue with the original ground showing through. All over the place. Did I do something wrong, because those instructions were pretty easy, especially since I didn't need any of the patches for other mods or the FPS patches either. Any help would be great.

Check your load order, you've put BC IC in the wrong place, most likely.

Not most likely, but definitely. Any mod which touches the IC Market District, if loaded after BC IC is guaranteed to reset the land height. Even if all that other mod does is place a rock in the District, or changes the water height in one cell, or changes the default music type being played when in that District. Simply correcting your load order will resolve this.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:07 am

Not most likely, but definitely. Any mod which touches the IC Market District, if loaded after BC IC is guaranteed to reset the land height. Even if all that other mod does is place a rock in the District, or changes the water height in one cell, or changes the default music type being played when in that District. Simply correcting your load order will resolve this.

Ok probably not the noobest question you have gotten, but definitely dumb. Is the "last" in the load order in the mod manager the top or bottom. I have BBC at the bottome of the load list and I thought that was last. I'll try it the other way. Also I love that the Apachii Goddess store totally works with this. Maybe it was a no brainer, but I wasn't sure. My wife loves oblivion and has only played it on the PS3. She is deployed right now and I can't wait till she gets back and see what you all have done to it. Thanks for this. All of you.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:33 am

Ok probably not the noobest question you have gotten, but definitely dumb. Is the "last" in the load order in the mod manager the top or bottom. I have BBC at the bottome of the load list and I thought that was last. I'll try it the other way. Also I love that the Apachii Goddess store totally works with this. Maybe it was a no brainer, but I wasn't sure. My wife loves oblivion and has only played it on the PS3. She is deployed right now and I can't wait till she gets back and see what you all have done to it. Thanks for this. All of you.

What are you using to order you mods?
Anyway last mean bottom, as in last to load, thus overriding other previous stuff. Also means the most recent in date of file.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:49 am

What are you using to order you mods?
Anyway last mean bottom, as in last to load, thus overriding other previous stuff. Also means the most recent in date of file.

I guess nothing. I thought the Oblivion Mod Manager allowed me to change the mod order. I've got BC at the bottom of the load order in Oblivion Mod Manager, at the bottom of everything, There is a chest in the district that is changed. If not I'll look around for a load order changer.

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:59 pm

OBMM will do fine. If the land is wrong in the Market District, then you absolutely do not have BC IC last in your load order, you must have at least one ESP loaded later and that's the problem file.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:47 am

OBMM will do fine. If the land is wrong in the Market District, then you absolutely do not have BC IC last in your load order, you must have at least one ESP loaded later and that's the problem file.

Maybe my stupid chest just isn't compatible then, because there aren't any stray ESP files. I have all six ESPs at the bottom and the chest at the top. I don't need the chest and would never sacrifice this mod for it. If I have to I'll just remove it.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:36 pm

After ensuring that OBMM is definitely listing the ESPs in Load Order instead of any other order, please use OBMM to export your load order as a text list and paste it here. Also, are you using Wrye Bash at all?

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:51 am

There is a conflict between TR_Stirk (Ship to Stirk) and Blood & Mud (Ansol's ship) as both add ships that are in the same location in the Anvil Bay. Now I know that none of these mods is in Better Cities, but knowing that you added some compatibility tweaks between B&M (Ansol's ship) and Better Cities to fix ship clashes in IC waterfront, could you take a look at fixing this as well? A request, nothing more.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:55 am

I already fixed that. You should find that Stirk offers a universal compatibility patch for most mods which conflict in Anvil - and I created that patch, a year or two ago.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:31 am

I already fixed that. You should find that Stirk offers a universal compatibility patch for most mods which conflict in Anvil - and I created that patch, a year or two ago.

You already foresaw what trouble I'd run into a year (or two) before I did. Thanks a ton! :icecream: :icecream:

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:24 am

can someone plz help me? everytime i run this mod my oblivion hangs on load screen. not even a CTD or anything but it just stops at loading screen before main menu and doesnt move on. and i find out that the problem is isolated to the IC esps only, meaning if i run all the esp's besides the IC ones i can run it fine but evertime i activate the IC esp's i get this problem. here is my modlist and load order:

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  TR_OoT_Main.esm02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]07  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm08  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]09  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0A  Better Cities Resources.esm0B  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.3]0C  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0D  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0E  Better Cities .esp0F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp10  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp11  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]12  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]13  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]14  Fran Armor Add-on.esp15  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp16  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.1]17  DLCHorseArmor.esp18  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]19  DLCOrrery.esp1A  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]1B  DLCVileLair.esp1C  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1D  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp1E  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]1F  DLCSpellTomes.esp20  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]21  DLCThievesDen.esp22  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]23  ExnemRuneskulls.esp24  FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp  [Version 0.9.9]25  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]26  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]27  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp28  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]29  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]2A  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]2B  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]2C  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]2D  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]2E  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2F  FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]30  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]31  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]32  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]33  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]34  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]35  TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp  [Version 1.39c]36  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]37  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]38  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]39  (DC) County Sutch - New Haven.esp3A  Nascosto Isles 3.esp3B  TR_Stirk.esp3C  Stirk_Compatibility_Patch.esp3D  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp3E  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]3F  DLCFrostcrag.esp40  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]41  Knights.esp42  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]43  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]44  ElsweyrAnequina.esp45  bartholm.esp46  Open Better Cities ANVIL.esp47  Open Better Cities BRAVIL.esp48  Open Better Cities BRUMA.esp49  Open Better Cities CHEYDINHAL.esp4A  Open Better Cities CHORROL.esp4B  Open Better Cities LEYAWIIN.esp4C  Open Better Cities SKINGRAD.esp4D  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4E  Francesco's Slower skills x1.5.esp4F  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]50  Better Cities IC Arcane University.esp  [Version 4.8.4]51  Better Cities IC Elven Gardens.esp  [Version 4.8.4]52  Better Cities IC Green Emperor Way.esp  [Version 4.8.4]53  Better Cities IC Market.esp  [Version 4.8.4]54  Better Cities IC Talos Plaza.esp  [Version 4.8.4]55  Better Cities IC Temple.esp  [Version 4.8.4]56  Better Cities IC Waterfront.esp  [Version 4.8.4]57  Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.esp58  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

o and im using the "open better cities" version of the esp's, but the stock esp's with this mod itself also works fine

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:37 am

o and im using the "open better cities" version of the esp's, but the stock esp's with this mod itself also works fine

So why are you even using 4.8.4 then? I thought the whole idea of the latest string of updates was to provide OBC options from within?

Get rid of all of the Open Better Cities plugins, they are redundant, outdated, and likely the cause of your problem.

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:33 pm

Don't use Old Open Better Cities, it is old and outdated as Thomas Kaira said. I ceased support for OOBC over a year ago, and the last several BC releases have included OBC anyway. Also you're using every single OOBC ESP so you should have installed the single merged ESP rather than each one separately. You're not using every single BC IC ESP however so you did right to use the separate ones there.

I'm guessing that the problem is you are using the OOBC ESM instead of the BC ESM. BC requires the BC ESM, OOBC should work with the BC ESM too, so if you're going to stick with the obsolete OOBC then you must overwrite the OOBC ESM with the BC ESM.
Or better still, scrap OOBC entirely and install BC, then toggle on the Open version of each city. But I suggest you wait a bit if you read this soon after I type it, BC is going to be v4.9.0 later today unless we hit a problem.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:58 am

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