Game keeps crashing in Oblivion plane : IV

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:37 pm

It's unplayable. Every time I enter the Kvatch Oblivion gate I make a few steps, then the game tries to load a new area (the "loading area" message appears) and I get a CTD. This 9 times out of 10. I have the 4gb patch, OSR, ZStreamline, weOCPS, Pluggy 128 (but it seems disabling all of them nothing changes), meshes "pyffied" (only OB's at the moment). Oblivion planes are in no way altered by mods. Can it be OOO/MMM fault?

mod list:

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00  Oblivion.esm01  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]02  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]03  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]04  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]05  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.8.4]06  DA Run Fatigue.esm07  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.4]08  DLCShiveringIsles.esp09  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.1]0A  Better Cities .esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]0B  Willful Resistance.esp  [Version 4.0]0C  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.2]0D  FF_Real_Thirst.esp0E  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.3.1]0F  Streamline 3.1.esp10  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.8]11  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]12  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]13  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]14  FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]15  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]16  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]17  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]18  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - NoReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]19  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Adventurers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]1A  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]1B  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]1C  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]1D  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]1E  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]1F  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]20  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]21  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]22  TamrielTransportationNetwork.esp23  ShiveringIslesTransportationNetwork.esp24  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]25  Knights.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]26  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]27  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]28  xulTheHeath.esp29  XulEntiusGorge.esp2A  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]2B  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]2C  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]2D  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]2E  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]2F  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]30  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]31  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]32  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]33  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]34  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]35  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.3]36  MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp37  xulPantherRiver.esp38  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]39  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]3A  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]3B  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]3C  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]3D  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]3E  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]3F  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.2]40  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp41  Better Cities - House price patch.esp  [Version 1.0]42  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]43  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 2.0.1]44  kuerteeAlternativesToDeathAndReload.esp45  Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp  [Version 1.0]46  Quest Award Leveller.esp  [Version 2.0.1]47  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp  [Version 2.1.0]48  DA Fatigued Running.esp49  RealSleepExtended.esp  [Version 2.5]4A  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90b]4B  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.90]4C  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.90]4D  sr_spell_deletion.esp  [Version 0.50]4E  Lightweight Potions.esp  [Version 1.1]4F  PTSneakPenalties.esp50  Creature Damage Fix.esp  [Version 2.1]++  Level_Rates_Modified_x3.esp51  RealisticLeveling.esp**  Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp**  Cava Obscura - SI.esp**  Cava Obscura - Filter Patch For Mods.esp++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.76]52  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.8.4]53  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.7.0]54  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 4.8.4]55  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 4.8.1]56  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 4.8.1]57  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.8.4]58  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.8.1]59  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 4.8.1]5A  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.8.4]5B  Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp  [Version 4.7.0]5C  Real Hunger, Cobl.esp  [Version 1.6.1]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]5D  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Maybe you could also tell me if there's something wrong in my mod list. Thank you for the help.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:39 am

Nothing in your load order jumps out at me and I used 90% of the mods you do. Did you install a texture replacement that had Oblivion textures? Could be a corrupt file in that. Worth a try.

Also,try without the MMM no reavers in gates as that has something to do with Oblivion realm. Worth a try also.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:58 am

I'm not using texture replacers (I don't see the need, Oblivion has already good graphics), but maybe some meshes have been corrupted while pyffing them (just guessing). I will try to pyffi them again and see if that fixes the problem.

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:11 pm

Might be a bad spawn. You could try waiting for a respawn (i.e. 4 days if on default) before entering the gate.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:18 am

Might be a bad spawn. You could try waiting for a respawn (i.e. 4 days if on default) before entering the gate.

Didn't work

But definitely there's something that make the game crash in that area, I must raise the chance that CTD happens there to 100% now... So other than bad spawning, what are the common culprits that cause this neverending CTDs? Could be a error in a mesh caused by Pyffi? The only mod that should affect OBlivion planes are MMM and OOO, I will try to disable them, I don't know what else to do.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:57 am

Didn't work

But definitely there's something that make the game crash in that area, I must raise the chance that CTD happens there to 100% now... So other than bad spawning, what are the common culprits that cause this neverending CTDs? Could be a error in a mesh caused by Pyffi? The only mod that should affect OBlivion planes are MMM and OOO, I will try to disable them, I don't know what else to do.

Switch to the normal meshes first and see how that works. Use the original oblivion - meshes.bsa.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:48 am

Well, turned out the culprit is MMMforOOO.esp (or MMM.esp, CTD with both). I found the cause, harder seems to find a solution without getting rid of MMM. It crashes with both MMM and MMMforOOO esps so I don't think it's a matter of corrupted esp or something. Do you think it's safe to clean the esp? Any other thoughts? God I don't think my list is so bad-built to create such problems!

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:48 am

My game always crashes in the Kvatch Oblivion plane. I found that walking instead of running prevents the crash. Simple; may not work for you though, but give it a try.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:18 am

Well, turned out the culprit is MMMforOOO.esp (or MMM.esp, CTD with both). I found the cause, harder seems to find a solution without getting rid of MMM. It crashes with both MMM and MMMforOOO esps so I don't think it's a matter of corrupted esp or something. Do you think it's safe to clean the esp? Any other thoughts? God I don't think my list is so bad-built to create such problems!

It's not a common issue with MMM. And your load order looks OK. Don't think there's anything to clean in the esp. Make sure the OOO/MMM resources are there/loading, i.e. that the MMM.bsa is correctly renamed and that you have OOO 1.33 Complete + 1.34 Beta 5 installed.

I've had a couple of repeatable CTDs in Oblivion in my current FCOM game. Those have been "fixed" by waiting for a respawn, which should indicate bad spawns.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:54 am

My game always crashes in the Kvatch Oblivion plane. I found that walking instead of running prevents the crash. Simple; may not work for you though, but give it a try.

I bet you have MMM installed.

Anyway, simply unbelieveable! The trick worked! Tried 3 times in a row and no CTDs at all. From now on, nothing will surprise me any more, that's for sure. Thanks for the help

I've had a couple of repeatable CTDs in Oblivion in my current FCOM game. Those have been "fixed" by waiting for a respawn, which should indicate bad spawns.

When that happens I fix that by entering an interior and re-exiting.
Thanks to everyone for your responses.