Curious Combat Crash : IV

» Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:48 am

Like the title says, sometimes Oblivion will dump me back to the desktop in combat. Not all the time, but often enough that it tells me something is amiss. I have crashed under the following conditions:

A summoned Spectral Warrior strikes me with an unblocked melee that is enough to kill me. When it connects I immediately hear the unequip sound effect and see the desktop.
A Nether Lich hits me with a shock bolt that is enough to kill me. When it connects I immediately hear the unequip sound effect and see the desktop.
An Ancient Vampire hits me with a power attack which I block, but it is enough to kill me. When it connects I immediately hear the unequip sound effect and see the desktop.
A rat hits me, and because of Attribute-Based and Skill-Based Damage Modifiers it is enough to kill me. When it connects I immediately hear the unequip sound effect and see the desktop.
A Vampire Archer hits me with an arrow and it is enough to kill me. When it connects I immediately hear the unequip sound effect and see the desktop.
A Vampire hits me with melee or a deadly shock bolt and it is enough to kill me. When it connects I immediately hear the unequip sound effect and see the desktop.

I have been slaying as many Vampires as possible and have 270-ish kills, and during this time the combat crash counts more than twenty.

» Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:12 am

Load order?

Do you have any mods that are designed to interrupt the death process?

» Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:34 pm

I am guessing the unequip sounds could be from BEAR (BFG's enhanced armor realism) that occur when an armor degrades/breaks. Can you see some console output through Conscribe?

» Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:55 pm

The load order is here:

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]02  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]03  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.4]04  DLCShiveringIsles.esp05  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.1]06  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.0]07  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.1]08  Living Economy.esp09  Living Economy - Items.esp0A  Cutthroat Merchants.esp0B  skycaptains NPCFF.esp0C  DLCHorseArmor.esp0D  DLCOrrery.esp0E  DLCVileLair.esp0F  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp10  DLCSpellTomes.esp11  DLCThievesDen.esp12  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]13  OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp  [Version 1.33]14  OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp  [Version 1.33]15  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]16  Bandit Hideouts.esp17  Fort Falkenshire.esp18  Fort Krakatus.esp19  Fort_FerrionV11.esp1A  FortDragonShirev1.esp1B  Torynwyll.esp1C  Vassoul11.esp1D  DLCFrostcrag.esp1E  Knights.esp1F  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]20  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]21  Respawning Varla & Welkynd Stones.esp22  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]23  kuerteeAttributeAndSkillBasedDamageModifiers.esp++  Level_Rates_Modified_x2.esp24  RealisticLeveling.esp++  Eternal Vampire Faces.esp++  Khajiit Face Tweak.esp++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]25  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]26  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]27  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]28  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]29  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]2A  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp++  OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp  [Version 1.33]2B  Bashed Patch, 0.esp2C  Mouth of the Serpent.esp++  Cute Orc Head Replacer 1.1 for OOO 1.33.esp

And the ConScribe log is here ( I have no idea what I am doing with ConScribe, I set the mode to PerLoad ):

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All Natural Tamriel: Initialised
All Natural SI: Initialised
RL: loaded RealisticLeveling.ini
RL: recalculating all attributes

And the ConScribe.txt from the root directory:

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Registered Logs
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Appending log headers...

SaveGame callback! Dumping records ...
Done dumping database to cosave

SaveGame callback! Dumping records ...
Done dumping database to cosave

SaveGame callback! Dumping records ...
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LoadGame callback! Reading records ...

Done loading from cosave; Dumping database ...

Registered Logs
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Appending log headers...

SaveGame callback! Dumping records ...
Done dumping database to cosave

If I'm not mistaken, the sound that plays upon crash is the weapon unequip sound.

» Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:11 pm

Not sure what's causing it but here are some notes:

01 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.0] - Consider updating to 1.2.1.
05 All Natural.esp [Version 1.1]
06 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.0]
07 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.1]

08 Living Economy.esp - Use Enhanced Economy instead. LE has some issues.
09 Living Economy - Items.esp

0B skycaptains NPCFF.esp - What's this? (Right, it's NPC Friendly Fire. Shouldn't be causing the issue but on the other hand it's quite new so might be worth to try w/o.)

0C DLCHorseArmor.esp - Consider using the unofficial DLC patches.
0D DLCOrrery.esp
0E DLCVileLair.esp
0F DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
10 DLCSpellTomes.esp
11 DLCThievesDen.esp

1D DLCFrostcrag.esp
1E Knights.esp

1F Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0] - Update to 3.0.1.
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]
20 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]

23 kuerteeAttributeAndSkillBasedDamageModifiers.esp - I wonder if this might have something to do with it? Not using it myself so no idea really, but might be worth to check out.

++ Level_Rates_Modified_x2.esp - Do you really want faster level rates than the default ones in OOO? If so, fine, but consider using Progress instead - comes with some very nifty addons for one thing.

» Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:32 am

All those dungeon mods by edolsian really need to be cleaned ... Falkenshire, etc. Doubt that is the cause, but can't hurt to clean them.

What happens if you are not in combat and like jump off of a cliff or something?

I'll bet this is it though: skycaptains NPCFF.esp

I think he updated that or found ctds himself - kinda vague memory though.

» Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:24 pm

1. Maybe you should try play (for testing only ) without sound, or value "iMaxImpactSoundCount" to 16.
2. There is some option in WB to delay menu appearance after PC death. Long shot ,but try.

» Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:31 pm

Thank goodness it wasn't Kuertee's Attribute-Based and Skill-Based Damage Modifiers, I really need that mod. I still don't know the reason behind the crash, but I have isolated the condition. If I have Light of Dawn unsheathed, as in ready to fight, then a hit to me can ctd. Not always, but it is likely. To be sure of this I tested between my silver bow and Light of Dawn, letting a nether lich kill me with his lightning. With the silver bow equipped and ready the game did not crash once. With Light of Dawn equipped and ready the nether lich zapped me and it was back to desktop. This is sad news because it means I can't use this powerful sword without risking a ctd, and I gave Umbra back to Clavicus Vile.

» Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:57 pm

Thank goodness it wasn't Kuertee's Attribute-Based and Skill-Based Damage Modifiers, I really need that mod. I still don't know the reason behind the crash, but I have isolated the condition. If I have Light of Dawn unsheathed, as in ready to fight, then a hit to me can ctd. Not always, but it is likely. To be sure of this I tested between my silver bow and Light of Dawn, letting a nether lich kill me with his lightning. With the silver bow equipped and ready the game did not crash once. With Light of Dawn equipped and ready the nether lich zapped me and it was back to desktop. This is sad news because it means I can't use this powerful sword without risking a ctd, and I gave Umbra back to Clavicus Vile.

This reminds me of this thread from last year: http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1086328-crash-when-fighting-dread-zombies/. I seem to recall some other reports on LoD CTDs as well - but can't remember if it ever was pinpointed/resolved. My char is using Light of Dawn almost exclusively w/o any issues so far - might be some other factor involved perhaps?

» Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:07 pm

The only option now is for me to go through my short mod list and begin deactivating mods. It's not so bad because there are less than 30 and I have a quicksave with me fighting a nether lich. I will also have a look at LoD's script. In fact, I will test other enchanted weapons as well after seeing the zombie crash topic.