Hi guys

I have experienced an annoying problem, when ever I try to run MMM37b3 and Francescos item mod
my Oblivion become extremely unstable crashes every 15-20min (this is the case on 4 computers that i have tried out!!!
ranging from 2006 machine to 2010 machine!!! Its been plague me for 3 years, the ctd can happen anywhere, but mostly
during area transition) I think this is mod related since if I ONLY run MMM the game is much more stable!

so is there any hint (sorry if this sounds stupid, i am not really good with de-bug modding problems) you guys can give me
to make those mods work together??? because they should be comparable out of the box right?

I really try to keep my mod list simple: I run a few texture replacers, new armor n weapon addons, and body
replacers, Natural environment, and DarUI plus small misc mods.

just DON'T understand why Frans + MMM can be a game breaker.

Please help

by the way I am not using Wrye Bash - don't know much about it, but people do say u need it if you run major
mods that changes leveled list - i am just a novice with things like this.

First, use http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1165282-relz-martsmonstermod37b3-public-release-3-relz/. Follow the install instructions for it and Fran's. Then use http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1167297-rel-boss-better-oblivion-sorting-software/ to manage the load order. Then post your load order if you have any issues. I'm not using Fran's personally, but MMM plus Fran's should be stable if set up correctly AFAIK - it's a very popular combination.

http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22368 is not strictly necessary if you run MMM + Fran's, but it's more or less indispensible for mod users in the long run so might as well try to set it up and learn the basics of it. It's not that hard to set up and use really. Basically, download and install Wrye Python 03a - and then download/install Wrye Bash 291 Installer Version.

Well, what I was going to say.....

BOSS and Wrye are two indispensable tools when running complex mods like Frans and MMM.

Post your load order and list any files added that do not have an esp (like OSR, Crash Prevention System, OBE version, OBSE plugins). If you do not use these already you should as they help with crashes. I have run Frans and MMM multiple times and they are usually the most stable of setups. So your problem is probably somethng else.

Thanks for the quick reply
I will test out mmm 3.7b3 by it self for a bit longer to just make sure my new pc is stable with oblivion and then I will install frans
I will post in the near future

Note that you need to uninstall all resources from previous versions of MMM when updating to 3.7b3PR3.

My Oblivion is a fresh install, just installed Frans 4.5b (the only option i installed is the extra items),
MMM is version 3.7b3p3

Now my load order:

Oblivion.esm

Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm [Version 4.5bSI]

Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm [Version 4.5bSI]

Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp

Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp

Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp

MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp

EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp

R18PN - Dancer's Dress.esp

R18PN - Eisen Platte Armor.esp

R18PN - Leere Armor.esp

Mart's Monster Mod for Fran.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

Knights.esp

EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Knights.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp

EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp

Moonshadow Elves - Sc.esp

EVE_KhajiitFix.esp

KT_CustomRaceFix.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp not currently activated (I have not rebuild the bashed patch, since I only installed wrye bash, have not toched it - its really confusing
please tell me what do i need to do in my case with wrye bash?????? I amstuck on update bashed patch, 0 esp options menu - which one do I tick e.g. import actors import cells, merged patches replace from id etc etc...... it give me a huge head ache! btw when i open up wyre bash its load order is totally
different to my BOSS load order???)

SWalk.esp

As suggested by BOSS

Btw I also use OSR, OCPS, FastExit2 and of course latest OBSE

Your load order looks good. Make sure the MMM.bsa is renamed to Mart's Monster Mod for Fran.bsa. Make sure Fran's bsa is loaded by following the install instructions. You might consider switching from Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp to All Natural - or make sure you're running the fixed version as the original can be problematic if I remember correctly.



Both OBMM and Wrye Bash can be used to manage the load order, which can be confusing. If you change the load order in OBMM and have Lock Times on in Wrye Bash - the latter will change it back to the locked ones when opening. So make sure you have Lock Times off: Right-click File-header in the Mods window in Wrye Bash > Lock Times should be unchecked.

You have BOSS, right? Easiest way to manage your load order is:

1. Open Wrye Bash.
2. Hit the BOSS icon (you have quick launch icons for BOSS, the read me etc. at the bottom).
3. The load order should be correct.

If you want to use the Bashed Patch:

1. It should be loaded last after 3 above.
2. Right-click the Bashed Patch > Rebuild Patch > Select all under Merge Patches, if a mod is in an Import X section, check the Import X and the mods that are listed. (You can basically rely on BOSS getting the tags right, so they are there for a reason). Under Tweaks you can check the ones you want, but be a bit careful (i.e. don't check everything that sounds cool). Check Leveled lists and have it on Automatic.
3. Build Patch.
4. That should be it.

EDIT: You should use EVE_stockequipmentreplacer4MMM.esp instead of EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp (and install the MMM and Fran's resources of course). Also, use FransFemale.esp

In my experience, MMM + Frans is quite crash prone no matter what. I know thats not very helpful, but that has been my general experience using the combination.

BTW bad news for me the game ctd as soon as I load up Frans + MMM together

What I will do next - I will disable Natural Weather to see if it makes a difference, because I use NW as my golden
standard mod - I did not know it is BUGGY - even BOSS suggest me to remove it lol

I'll will keep updating

Thanks for all your time guys!

Did you register the Frans .bsa?

I'm afraid your experience doesn't mirror mine. I've used MMM and Fran's in tandem for a couple of years, at least. With an additional 230+ mods, I'm still seeing crashes perhaps once every 5-6 hours, tops. I suspect the reasons for your problems, and the reasons for my relative lack of same, probably have to do with a host of factors external to these two mods--other mods, their loading order, the amount of RAM, extra utilities (such as Wrye Bash), etc. In and of themselves, I've seen nothing to lead me to believe that MMM and Fran's are seriously incompatible.

Using Windows Vista or 7 did you install the game outside program files directory or have UAC Turned off ?
Did you install the Official Patch 1.2.0416 Patch ?
Did you download and install the 500 mg Frans Addon?
Did you download and install the MMM.bsa and have it renamed Mart's Monster Mod for Frans.bsa once again?
Have you tried deleting your oblivion.ini and let the game rebuild you a new one ?

Something is happened between the latest MMM and the latest Frans. I have installed Oblivion, Frans and MMM, chose the 10 day Frans esp , made sure I loaded the game when I was in an Inn room alone, rested for 10 days, and the game CTD'd when I tried to leave the Inn. Tried it again at another hotel. Same thing. Tried a third time on the pirate ship when all the pirates were dead. Same thing. I tired load order as was after MMM OMOD was installed, and then BOSS'd it and tried again. Same result!

So you are trying to load a saved game from another setup into a new Frans and MMM game?

Either way, start a new game and see if it crashes on you. It should not. I find Frans+MMM the most dtabe combo (other than ROM+OOO) I ever played.

what do you mean by register frans bsa??

Yes It's outside the programs folder with uac completely off
patched up the the latest official si patch
frans is 500mb but i only installed the 300mg of items, no creatures since mmm got it all
yes its renamed
have not tried the ini yet

Anyways just incase by pc does not like mmm+frans combo, can you guys suggest me another good weapons and item
mod to use (don't like OOO) instead of frans

What's your issue specifically? "the game ctd as soon as I load up Frans + MMM together" Is this a CTD when starting up the game or a CTD when trying to load a save?

There are two ways to load the Frans bsa files. By defalt, during frans instakllation it asks you if you want to register the bsa files. If answer yes then it modifies the oblivion.ini by adding the bsa files to the bsa search string. This way the game will access the content in those bsa files when needed. The second way to make the bsa files work is to use an esp file to load them. This is done by renaming the bsa file to , same as you do with MMM bsa in FCOM, you rename it to start with FCOM_Convergence and that esp file will load the bsa.

Makes sense?

I believe the game would not CTD if the Frans bsa files were not loading, you would just have WTF markers.

You need to register the Frans .bsa in your ini.

Example;

If you need further help, let me know.

yes i did Register frans bsa when installing

Basically the problem is my game ctd a lot when i try to run frans + MMM together (ctd every 30min on average mostly just after area transition in game)

I have followed the advice on disabling natural weather, my game did run a little bit longer during my latest play session (about 2 hours) but it crashed while my character were
just running around

Btw my ctd are so random I can NOT reproduce any one of them

Post your current load order again.