Why isnt my game clean? : IV

» Mon May 02, 2011 8:04 pm

Its been damn near impossible to get my game clean and it seems no matter what i do my save games end up messy and filled with crashes and bugs.

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Oblivion.esm
You Are Here.esm
All Natural Base.esm
Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
Cobl Main.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
FCOM_Convergence.esm
Armamentarium.esm
Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
Better Cities Resources.esm
CM Partners.esm
Cobl Races TNR SI.esp
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Better Cities .esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp
Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
All Natural.esp
All Natural - SI.esp
Immersive Interiors.esp
Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp
Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
WindowLightingSystem.esp
AmbientDungeons.esp
Reznod_Mannequin.esp
Living Economy.esp
Living Economy - Items.esp
Cutthroat Merchants.esp
Immersive Travelers.esp
Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp
ACCCGR SI.esp
Drake Knight Armor and Weapons v1.0.esp
SSA.esp
Cobl Glue.esp
Cobl Si.esp
Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
FCOM_BobsArmory.esp
Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
FCOM_WarCry.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp
FCOM_Convergence.esp
FCOM_RealSwords.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp
FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp
FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp
OOO-WaterFish.esp
Imperial Furniture Renovated.esp
GoldenCrest.esp
JSRandomTasks.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
Scribe Supplies.esp
VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
Knights.esp
The Lost Spires.esp
SoT_TheOrderofNibenay.esp
HoarfrostCastle.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
xulChorrolHinterland.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
xulRollingHills_EV.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulImperialIsle.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
xulAspenWood.esp
xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
xulSnowdale.esp
xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp
Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp
Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp
Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
RealHungerv1.4.esp
RealisticHealth.esp
RealSleepExtended.esp
Wizard's Vengeance Spells.esp
MidasSpells.esp
actors_in_charge.esp
CM Partners.esp
CM Partners Special NPCs.esp
CM Partners NPC.esp
CM Partners More NPCs.esp
CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp
CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
Cobl Races.esp
bgMagicEV.esp
bgMagicBonus.esp
bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp
bgMagicAlchemy.esp
bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp
Better Cities Full.esp
Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
Better Imperial City.esp
Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp
Better Cities - COBL.esp
Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp
bgMagicEVShader.esp
bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
FCOM_Archery.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Ayleid Sanctuary.esp

» Tue May 03, 2011 8:48 am

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Repost your load order via Wrye Bash: rightclick file-header > list mods > paste into post.

» Mon May 02, 2011 8:46 pm

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  You Are Here.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.2.1]03  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]05  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]06  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]07  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]08  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]09  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0A  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm0B  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.9.0]0C  CM Partners.esm**  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]0D  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]0E  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]0F  DLCShiveringIsles.esp10  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]11  Better Cities .esp12  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp13  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp14  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]15  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]16  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp17  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.2]18  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.2.1]19  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.7]1A  Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp  [Version 0.7]1B  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp1C  WindowLightingSystem.esp1D  AmbientDungeons.esp  [Version 1.3]++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]1E  Reznod_Mannequin.esp1F  Living Economy.esp20  Living Economy - Items.esp21  Cutthroat Merchants.esp22  Immersive Travelers.esp23  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.3]24  ACCCGR SI.esp25  Drake Knight Armor and Weapons v1.0.esp26  SSA.esp  [Version 2.0]27  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]28  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]29  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp2A  Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp2B  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]**  Oblivion WarCry.esp  [Version 1.085a]2C  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.08a]2D  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]2E  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.32.Final]++  ArmamentariumLLArmaVendor.esp  [Version 1.35]2F  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]30  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]31  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]32  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]33  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]34  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]35  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]36  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]37  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]38  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]39  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3A  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3B  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3C  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]3D  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]3E  Imperial Furniture Renovated.esp3F  GoldenCrest.esp40  JSRandomTasks.esp  [Version 1.1a]41  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp42  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp43  Scribe Supplies.esp44  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp45  Knights.esp46  The Lost Spires.esp47  SoT_TheOrderofNibenay.esp48  HoarfrostCastle.esp++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]49  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]4A  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]4B  xulTheHeath.esp4C  XulEntiusGorge.esp4D  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]4E  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]4F  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]50  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]51  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]52  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]53  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]54  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]55  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]56  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]57  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]58  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.3]59  xulPantherRiver.esp5A  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]5B  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]5C  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]5D  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]5E  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]5F  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]60  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]61  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.2]62  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp63  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp64  DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp65  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]66  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp67  RealHungerv1.4.esp68  RealisticHealth.esp69  RealSleepExtended.esp  [Version 2.5]6A  Wizard's Vengeance Spells.esp6B  MidasSpells.esp6C  actors_in_charge.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]6D  CM Partners.esp6E  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp6F  CM Partners NPC.esp70  CM Partners More NPCs.esp71  CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp72  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp73  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]74  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]75  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]76  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]77  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]78  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]79  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.9.0]7A  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp  [Version 4.7.0]7B  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.9.0]7C  Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp  [Version 4.9.0]7D  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]7E  Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp  [Version 4.9.0]7F  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]80  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp81  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]82  Bashed Patch, 0.esp83  Ayleid Sanctuary.esp

» Tue May 03, 2011 5:17 am

Some notes on your load order, although nothing that should cause CTDs/corrupt saves:

** Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53]
0D Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53] - Might import NPC faces and have unchecked as above.

1F Living Economy.esp - Enhanced Economy is generally recommended over LE as the latter has some issues.
20 Living Economy - Items.esp

** Oblivion WarCry.esp [Version 1.085a] - Skip, as you have the English version:
2C Oblivion WarCry EV.esp [Version 1.08a] - Update to 1.09
2D FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3] - Update to 109.

37 Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] - Don't use with OOO/FCOM.

So small stuff only, with the possible exception of your WarCry install that might cause issues.

» Tue May 03, 2011 4:39 am

#1 issue: you have tons of NPC-adding mods (FCOM, Better Cities, CM Partners). This will cause lots of issues throughout your game. Solution, cut down on NPCs any way you can: Drop the "more" MMM plugins, and use some "reduced" ones instead. Drop anything that adds fishes. Drop the farm animals. Try Open Cities instead of Better Cities.

Other advice:

Never reload from the in-game menu. Whenever you die or otherwise want to reload, exit the entire game and then restart. Tedious, yes. But not as tedious as the errors that can spring up from reloading a heavily-modded game from in-game.
Drop Living Economy and related plugins in favor of Enhanced Economy. Better mod, more customizable, has everything Living had plus more.
Drop Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp. The official thread itself says it is buggy.
Also drop MMM Gems and Gem Dust. When used with OOO's geomancy, it can cause crashes.
Drop Salmo the Baker, just in case. It does have one strange issue that can cause crashes.
Drop all Max's Natural plugins except Habitat. Drop the water one and whatever else you have.