Of course I realize that. Now Imagine playing Skyrim as a disabled Chinese woman.

That was the point of my post. A lot of people in this thread are complaining for little or no reason.

BGS has given (white) women - which hastily presume most of the women who have written here are, little to fear.



As for your statistics, I do not believe that 40% of TES players are female. And there is nothing outrageous about that belief. Despite this BGS has ignored their market demographics and made great efforts to appeal to (white) women. Kudos to them. It's a step.

I'll politely suggest that you should consider that when I speak out for the majority, which women actually are although not in the gaming world and not in countries where they still kill female babies, I'm speaking about *human* equality and will continue to do so when it's necessary, no matter what...and your POV is definitely not mine since I'm female and I believe you are not. This isn't that kind of an issue though...we're fortunate that it's not *that* serious. It's a forum about a game. Fair is fair in all kinds of situations and it was ok for the OP to request more attention be given to the women who enjoy Bethesda games. She regrets the way she expressed it, but it wasn't wrong for her to express her wishes to the devs. I recently had a question answered that helped me decide about an issue and I hope she gets the answer she seeks. I had no doubts about playing as a female and that's my preference. The games have been that way and they wouldn't change that. Your comment about that must have been for someone else. And females *are* taking a greater interest...that's why this thread exists.

Today is a great day and I've no serious interest in a debate about human equality. I've still got plenty of Skyrim articles to enjoy. Good day.

Nothings wrong about requesting something. But the tone of a post goes a long way. I'm not in the mood to type out a long winded response - it's not like I disagree.


Just saying that if you want to ask for something, there isn't a need to take such a offensive approach to it. BGS really doesn't have to do anything for anyone. They make enough money as it is. They make these extra effort because they want to. So let's treat them like the considerate developers they are

(and no this post was not meant to single out anyone)

What's up with no women?

a) they are making spears
B) they were levitating just out of view of the screenshot

TES is HARDLY a series that discriminates against women. Just because you dont see women in a lot of screen shots mostly means they have a lot they dont want to give away. Hell we still dont know what some of the races will look like.

Whew. Wish I'd been able to be around for all this earlier, but it looks like I can still munch some popcorn and watch.

Alright, I'll dive in. First off, all this about slinging around the word feminist like it's an insult. I'm a feminist myself, and I won't hesitate to say it. It doesn't mean I think men are all evil or that women should rule everything - just that women deserve a fair shot at things. Think of that what you will.

One of the reasons I love the Elder Scrolls series is because I came in with Daggerfall - which, amazingly, actually had several strong, non-stereotyped female characters (although alongside a couple stereotypes, though those aren't too bad either) playing significant roles in the plot. It's something you really don't see very often in video games, so of course I'm going to be holding that up as the standard; Morrowind wasn't too bad either, and seeing a game that broke with that annoying "give women ridiculously impractical armour because it's sixy" thing is nothing to complain about.

What's got me worried, though, is that Oblivion seems a bit of a step down. If you look at the characters who play a part in moving the plot, there's... Tar-Meena, who gives some barely-useful advice, and then the Countess of Bruma who's job is to be shouted down. Not a great showing. Normally, I'd just be glad at what things the game doesn't do wrong, but with the examples of how Bethesda can do better... don't think of it so much as a complaint (I'll probably give Bethesda the benefit of the doubt and buy Skyrim anyway unless they decide to pull something directly sixist, which I very, very much doubt they will - actually, I'm more likely to boycott Skyrim if it turns out they make gameplay choices I just can't stand than anything else <_< ), but as a challenge to do things properly. You can do it, and it won't really hurt anything to at least try.

Some have asked why women are bothered by what seems like a minor thing. Even when it is minor, though, it's everywhere - it's a matter of quantity, not quality. Think about being poked by someone - that's just a little thing, but you can stand it, right? Now imagine being poked, constantly, by lots of people at once, with precious few chances to escape. That is something like how it feels to be constantly shown that actually getting things done and such is for men, or that women should stick with a small set of activities no matter what their preferences or aptitudes might be, or that pointing out real problems is just being "too sensitive". It's one of those things that just tends to build up over time. Eventually, at some point, it becomes time to actually try and make those "precious few chances to escape"... well, less few, and at the same time more meaningful. It's not an obligation, but we need to at least put the idea out there for someone to hopefully snap up. Some people just have more or less polite ways of saying these things, on both sides - it isn't as if the "don't need more women" side has been universally nice either - fortunately, enough have been polite to keep this thread from degenerating too far.


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Back to the topic, and the recent posts:

We will get screenshots/footage of women soon enough, I am sure.

Failing that, wait till 11/11/11 :thumbsup:

Heroes need food.

Yes definitely back to topic as I don't see the need to insult people just because they believe one gender is superior and all that other crap.

Now on to the question in hand most gamers are male about 65% is my estimate. Most males don't want to play as a female character so having a female being shown 1st will turn some people off. I find that claim ridiculous but there it is. Both groups will have equal representation and by 11-11-11 you'll be dying to play your character whether it be male or female. E3 will definitely be a place where we will get more info and I can't wait.

Jon Kyl: Women make up well over 90% of gamers. #Notintendedtobeafactualstatement

Strange, my game also had woman protagonist. I guess we got different copies or something.

I think that's a muscly pec. Doubt you can see uncovered briasts in game anyway.

Nonetheless, one of the articles, though I forget which, mentions choosing a gender in character creation, so it's confirmed. Besides the fact that Killmoms also confirmed it on page 1 which people seem to be ignoring and still assuming the worst.

http://www.reference.com/browse/Protagonist

So Martin was a woman your game? Then, yes, we did get different copies.

~ Dani ~

I would call that an equalist, or something similar. The term feminist by nature implies some predisposition to female power as opposed to male power or male and female power.

dude you keep repeating yourself. your pretty much spamming over and over. ive counted 4 post in the first 4 pages where all you say is 'have you seen the barmaid pic'

who cares, let the girl hate on men.

It's most definitely a briast, it's too protruding but it's not bare, I'm sure it's a tan bra like we've seen in Oblivion on some nord women fighters. Not to mention Killmoms said that there is a female player character in the trailer and a hunter with briasts would probably be it :tongue:

My question is why does it matter? You will be able to create a female in Skyrim just like all of BGS's previous games. Most of the screen shots we have seen haven't even been of males, but more so environments of Skyrim, which is the more important in my opinion.

It obviously mattered to the person who made this thread, just because it doesn't matter to you doesn't mean you can just go saying things you don't care about doesn't matter. We are discussing what gender the hunter is after the comments about it on one of the first pages.

Calm down. My post was not meant to offend anyone. I'm merely pointing out that we have seen males and females (also concept art). Heck, I would love to see a Redguard, but I'm not too overly-concerned about it. Also, this thread is about a lack of women screen shots, not the two second clip of a hunter in the official trailer. Please don't try and dictate what I should write. Thanks.

Realism may be for real life, but settings are for video games (and movies), and the setting for LA Noire is L.A., late 1940s. Rockstar has gone to such lengths to capture that late 1940s noire atmosphere, that a female main character makes absolutely no sense within that setting.

A mere question wondering why we haven't seen more females in screenshots has turned into some thread barely assoicated with the OP.

Closed for way too much off topic stuff.