Oblivion CTD upon loading saved games or starting a new : IV

» Tue May 03, 2011 6:17 am

Game crashes after 2 seconds of play upon loading a save game.

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Jog_X_Mod.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9]03  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]05  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.71]06  Qarls_Harvest.esm07  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]08  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]09  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0A  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0B  Artifacts.esm0C  Better Cities Resources.esm0D  HorseCombatMaster.esm0E  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp0F  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]10  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]11  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.6]12  DLCShiveringIsles.esp13  Better Cities .esp14  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp15  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp16  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]17  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]18  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]19  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1A  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1B  Hear-Me-Not.esp1C  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1D  Qarls_Harvest.esp1E  Xia_Nhary_TwilightAssassin.HGEC1.1Normal.esp1F  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.0.6]20  Oblivion Alive.esp21  Immersive Travelers.esp22  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.0]23  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]24  FormID Finder4.esp25  kuerteeCleanUp.esp26  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.42]27  P1DmenuEscape.esp28  Streamline 3.1.esp29  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.4]2A  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.0.2]2B  Expanded Hotkeys and Spell Delete V2.esp2C  Crossbows of Cyrodiil.esp2D  CSR - Golden Saint.esp2E  DBShadowSet.esp2F  Thieves Arsenal.esp30  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.69]31  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]32  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp33  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]34  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.08a]35  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]36  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]37  CSR - Fine Iron.esp38  ArmamentariumLLArmaVendor.esp  [Version 1.35]39  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]3A  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3B  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]3C  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3D  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3E  FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]3F  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]40  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]41  FCOM_LessRats.esp  [Version 0.9.9]42  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]43  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]44  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]45  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]46  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]47  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]48  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]49  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4A  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4B  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4C  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4D  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4E  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4F  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]50  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]51  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]52  zCats & Rats.esp53  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]54  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]55  Artifacts.esp56  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]57  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0]58  DBC.esp59  ICSewerDBsanctuary.esp5A  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp5B  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp5C  mystery of mausoleum.esp5D  ScarletMonastery.esp5E  ShadowfangKeep.esp5F  thievery.esp60  VaultsofCyrodiil.esp61  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp62  Whispers of Death Extended.esp63  Wrath of Sithis.esp64  za_bankmod.esp65  Lynges_Thieves_Highway-10256.esp66  The Lost Spires.esp67  AFK_Weye.esp68  Birthsigns Expanded.esp  [Version 3.]69  Birthsign Zero.esp6A  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 4.1.1]6B  Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp  [Version 1.2]6C  Oblivifall - Let's Talk!.esp  [Version 1.1]6D  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]6E  PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp  [Version 1.2]6F  PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp  [Version 1.2]70  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp71  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]72  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]73  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]74  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]75  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]76  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]77  SM_NoSpellLights.esp  [Version 0.70]78  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]79  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]7A  MidasSpells.esp7B  RshAlchemy.esp7C  Lightweight Potions.esp  [Version 1.1]7D  MerchantFriendsBuysStolen.esp  [Version 2.0]7E  SM Combat Hide.esp  [Version 1.2]7F  Stealth Entrances v1.esp80  Morrowind Lockpicking.esp81  SM Bounty.esp  [Version 1.22c]82  CoblDeathFix.esp  [Version 1.20]83  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]84  Denock Arrows.esp85  Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp  [Version 2.5]86  SM Hand Combat.esp  [Version 1.0]87  Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp88  Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp89  Enhanced Mercantile Progress.esp  [Version 1.0a]8A  Kobu's Lighter Backpack Mod.esp8B  nGCD.esp8C  nGCD Birthsigns.esp8D  Francesco's Slower skills x1.5.esp8E  SP1stPLegs.esp8F  immersive_caves_auto.esp90  immersive_caves_manual.esp91  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]92  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]93  Stealthier Magic.esp94  TRAP.esp95  Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp96  Better Cities Full.esp97  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp98  Better Imperial City.esp99  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp9A  Better Cities - Thievery.esp9B  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp9C  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2]9D  Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp9E  Disable Tutorial Text.esp9F  DeadlierDarkBrotherHood.espA0  Black Heart.espA1  BlackGear.espA2  DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.espA3  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]A4  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Tue May 03, 2011 4:50 am

Follow the instructions in the FCOM link in my Signature, You are missing two Francesco's esp's. The ability to denock an arrow is part of Cobl. You should get the USIP, since you are using Shivering Isles. The most current version of Oblivion War Cry is also available in the FCOM Convergence and UFCOM release thread, so you might as well get that updated while you fix your FCOM installation.
EDIT Read your BOSSlog. I use a standalone version of OMOBS instead of the UOP and USIP versions mentioned in the FCOM guide, same effect, but I get to keep the Unofficial Patches current. I was confused by this when I installed FCOM.

» Tue May 03, 2011 3:28 am

I use a standalone version of OMOBS instead of the UOP and USIP versions mentioned in the FCOM guide, same effect, but I get to keep the Unofficial Patches current. I was confused by this when I installed FCOM.

There's a Quick OMOBS/MOBS for FCOM Guide in the FCOM opening post.

» Mon May 02, 2011 7:26 pm

Follow the instructions in the FCOM link in my Signature, You are missing two Francesco's esp's. The ability to denock an arrow is part of Cobl. You should get the USIP, since you are using Shivering Isles. The most current version of Oblivion War Cry is also available in the FCOM Convergence and UFCOM release thread, so you might as well get that updated while you fix your FCOM installation.
EDIT Read your BOSSlog. I use a standalone version of OMOBS instead of the UOP and USIP versions mentioned in the FCOM guide, same effect, but I get to keep the Unofficial Patches current. I was confused by this when I installed FCOM.

? I have fcom installed correctly... i was playing it fine last week. This all happened when I installed option mods for deadly reflex 6, im only posting here cause im not getting help there.

What frans esps am I missing... as far as I know I have it installed correctly..

» Mon May 02, 2011 10:57 pm

My game randomly worked on a saved game I loaded up, let me play for a bit, said "duke patricks archery mod loading" when I loaded it up.

Than I figured maybe if I just stream saved, exit out of oblivion and it would be fixed... but nope.

Basically the break down is

1. I can start oblivion up perfectly,

2. Loading any save game CTD's after 3 seconds of play.

3. Starting a new game CTD's after all the mods load.

4. Very rarely, by some miracle of events I can load a game succesfully and play without any CTD's.

Is there anything I can do to figure out what is going on.

Crash dumps, bug reports, debugging

Just tell me what you need to know and ill post the logs

Im literally begging for anyones help, this is the most frustrating issue i've ever ran into playing oblivion in the 5 years i've had it.

» Tue May 03, 2011 7:16 am

This is what I see that is wrong and/or outdated in your Load Order. Deadly Reflex is just the final straw that broke your games back.

05 Cobl Main should be at 1.72, most of your Cobl plugins are out of date because you are using an older version of Cobl.
You are missing Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies, and Francesco's Optional Levelled Gaurds.
0E TNR ALL RACES FINAL- I do not know if this is needed for Cobl Races TNR?
1F Enhanced Economy is at version 5.1
23 Drop Lit Torches is part of OOO-this is an extra esp.
30 Cobl Glue-outdated.
3A Replaced by MMM-Cobl the current plugin is available in the MMM release thread, I think it is in the third post, and make sure you also get the newest version of diverse waterlife, it has some bugfixes for AI pathgrids.
84 Included as part of Cobl 1.72-another free esp slot.
8D you are using nGCD already-another free esp slot.

You need to be sure you renamed the Bsa for MMM to FCOM_Convergence-Mart's Monster Mod, and rename the FraNewItems Bsa to FCOM_Convergence-FraNewItems.
I followed the instructions in the FCOM website and I was able to play FCOM with no problems either, but dev_akm has left Oblivion due to RL and the people who are maintaining and updating FCOM itself can not access the website to keep it updated, I kept adding mods that I liked to my game,developed more random CTD's and turned to the first link in my signature, Tomlong's site led me to this Forum. I added the second link in my signature because quite a few of the people who ask for help with Oblivion on this Forum are like You and I with our FCOM installs.

» Tue May 03, 2011 5:15 am

Fair enough, I suppose I didn't look at it that way, ill try resurrecting my FCOM installation, updating it and such.

I just assumed it HAD to do with Deadly reflex 6. but most likely you're right, it was just the final mod to completely screw it all to oblivion, no pun intended.

I sincerely thank you for the indepth help, I will try all your suggestions and get back to you on it later today.

» Tue May 03, 2011 2:49 am

Bah... im just about to give up at this point. I really don't feel like reinstalling oblivion and all these mods... only to get stuck in the same crap again

i took most of your suggestions, updated stuff reinstalled frans with the seperate esps.. im at a lost

still getting the same ctd crap

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Jog_X_Mod.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9]03  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]05  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]06  Qarls_Harvest.esm07  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]08  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]09  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0A  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0B  Artifacts.esm0C  Better Cities Resources.esm0D  HorseCombatMaster.esm**  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp0E  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]0F  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]10  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.5]11  DLCShiveringIsles.esp12  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.2]13  Better Cities .esp14  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp15  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp16  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp17  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp18  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]19  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1A  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1B  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1C  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1D  Hear-Me-Not.esp1E  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]1F  Qarls_Harvest.esp20  Xia_Nhary_TwilightAssassin.HGEC1.1Normal.esp21  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.0.6]22  Oblivion Alive.esp23  Immersive Travelers.esp24  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.0]25  FormID Finder4.esp26  kuerteeCleanUp.esp27  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.42]28  P1DmenuEscape.esp29  Streamline 3.1.esp2A  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.4]2B  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.0.2]2C  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.1.1]2D  Crossbows of Cyrodiil.esp2E  CSR - Golden Saint.esp2F  DBShadowSet.esp30  Thieves Arsenal.esp31  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]32  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]33  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp34  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]35  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.08a]36  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]37  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]38  CSR - Fine Iron.esp39  ArmamentariumLLArmaVendor.esp  [Version 1.35]3A  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]3B  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]3C  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3D  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3E  FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]3F  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]40  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]41  FCOM_LessRats.esp  [Version 0.9.9]42  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]43  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]44  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]45  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]46  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]47  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]48  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]49  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4A  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4B  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4C  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4D  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4E  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4F  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]50  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]51  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]52  zCats & Rats.esp53  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]54  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]55  Artifacts.esp56  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]57  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0]58  DBC.esp59  ICSewerDBsanctuary.esp5A  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp5B  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp5C  mystery of mausoleum.esp5D  ScarletMonastery.esp5E  ShadowfangKeep.esp5F  thievery.esp60  VaultsofCyrodiil.esp61  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp62  Whispers of Death Extended.esp63  Wrath of Sithis.esp64  za_bankmod.esp65  The Lost Spires.esp66  AFK_Weye.esp67  Birthsigns Expanded.esp  [Version 3.]68  Birthsign Zero.esp69  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 4.1.1]6A  Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp  [Version 1.2]6B  Oblivifall - Let's Talk!.esp  [Version 1.1]6C  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]6D  PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp  [Version 1.2]6E  PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp  [Version 1.2]6F  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp70  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]71  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]72  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]73  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]74  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]75  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]76  SM_NoSpellLights.esp  [Version 0.70]77  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]78  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]79  MidasSpells.esp7A  RshAlchemy.esp7B  Lightweight Potions.esp  [Version 1.1]7C  MerchantFriendsBuysStolen.esp  [Version 2.0]7D  SM Combat Hide.esp  [Version 1.2]7E  Stealth Entrances v1.esp7F  Morrowind Lockpicking.esp80  SM Bounty.esp  [Version 1.22c]81  CoblDeathFix.esp  [Version 1.20]82  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]83  Denock Arrows.esp84  Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp  [Version 2.5]85  SM Hand Combat.esp  [Version 1.0]86  Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp87  Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp88  Enhanced Mercantile Progress.esp  [Version 1.0a]89  Kobu's Lighter Backpack Mod.esp8A  nGCD.esp8B  nGCD Birthsigns.esp8C  Francesco's Slower skills x1.5.esp8D  SP1stPLegs.esp8E  immersive_caves_auto.esp8F  immersive_caves_manual.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.78]90  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]91  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]92  Stealthier Magic.esp93  TRAP.esp94  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]95  Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp96  Better Cities Full.esp97  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp98  Better Imperial City.esp99  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp9A  Better Cities - Thievery.esp9B  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp9C  Black Heart.esp9D  BlackGear.esp9E  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2]9F  Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.espA0  Disable Tutorial Text.espA1  DeadlierDarkBrotherHood.espA2  DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]A3  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]A4  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Tue May 03, 2011 1:31 am

Have you tried regenerating a new ini yet? You just rename a file in the same folder as your Saved Games from Oblivion to Backup, and restart the game. This will reset your screen resolution and you may need to reset options like disabling saves on fast travel, and reenabling screenshots. You can always delete the new Oblivion and rename Backup to Oblivion if this does not fix the CTD problem.