Shivering Isles - Serious Lag problem : IV

» Mon May 02, 2011 9:41 pm

Another problem in un-familiar territory - One family member is currently steaming through Shivering Isles in an area I have not been to yet, and experiencing serious lag/slideshow.

Area = The Fountainhead; Upon first stepping through the tree door at the back of the palace into this area, the game slows to a crawl ... In fact crawl would be fast compared with this

There's a Gnarl Cultivator at the bottom of the tunnel which we see starts to move, but then the slow down occurs. Move the mouse, maybe 15 seconds later the screen will update slightly .... and repeat. Completely unplayable. Hold escape for approx 6 seconds and the game menu eventually comes up to exit.

The only mods we have affecting Shivering are USIP and UOP Supplementals, plus a few texture/mesh replacers, Vibrant, Bomrets Normals, RAEVWD SI, AWLS, Lush and Gaudy Landscape ... So most of my Install/Load order I believe are not a concern but will include just in case.

We have no lag anywhere else in the game, this one came as a bit of a shock to the system, so presume this may be an old known problem we probably missed in the early years of discovering TESIV problems similar to our recent discovery of the Bruma Statue problem and related fixes which needed an experienced eye to reference the fixes.

Does anyone have any recollection of such a problem?

Install Order:

Spoiler

Bain Packages:++ 000 - 1.Official GOTY SI KotN DLCs.7z (60B8D9AA) (Installed)++ 001 - 2.Official GOTY - BSAs.7z (7713F65A) (Installed)002 - ==--UOPs--==++ 003 - 3.UOP_v3_2_0_Manual_BAIN-5296.7z (BCBA7B56) (Installed)++ 004 - 4.UOMP_v1_5_Manual_BAIN-9969.7z (59895567) (Installed)++ 005 - 5.USIP_v1_4_0_Manual_install-10739.7z (79CE866D) (Installed)++ 006 - 6.Unofficial_Patch_Supplementals-27710-3-3-5.7z (576BF6E0) (Installed)007 - ==--Sounds--==++ 008 - 7.AS_Rain_and_Thunder_Sounds_V1.7z (DF3DBAB0) (Installed)++ 009 - 8.Ambiant_Sound_FX_1-2-29676.rar (93165CB5) (Installed)010 - ==--Land-LOD-Weather--==++ 011 - 1.Diverse Grasses 0.6 - Main.7z (082DA354) (Installed)++ 012 - 2.Vibrant Textures Weather DistantLOD 1.6 Bain-18677.7z (AF603CBE) (Installed)++ 013 - 3.Bomrets_Detailed_Normal_Maps_for_Vanilla_Version_1_1-18430.rar (19757949) (Installed)++ 014 - 4.RAEVWD-20053-1-9-1.7z (DE3AA518) (Installed)++ 015 - 5.RAEVWD_SI_Edition-20053-1-7.7z (437C0655) (Installed)++ 016 - 6.RAEVWD_Darker_Regal_IC_Texture_Pack-20053.7z (911475E6) (Installed)++ 017 - 7.RAEVWD_SI_Bomret_Textures-20053.7z (ABBE189F) (Installed)++ 018 - 8.Animated_Window_Lighting_System_v5-5-2-19628-1.7z (F35E4E9E) (Installed)++ 019 - 9.Phinix_Waterfix_v2-6680.zip (66703519) (Installed)++ 020 - 10.RedBag_-_Fog-33424.rar (694FDFF4) (Installed)++ 021 - 11.ImprovedSignsComplete-9498.rar (7B1F6919) (Installed)++ 022 - 12.Real_Wood_Road_Signs_Full-25429.rar (9FF09A61) (Installed)++ 023 - 13.Unique_Signs-25314.zip (FC0A6D23) (Installed)++ 024 - 14.Lush_and_Gaudy_Landscape_and_Grass_and_Tree_Mod_v1_2_BAIN-37336-1-2.7z (80D967EF) (Installed)++ 025 - 15.LowTriPolyGrass-33403.7z (C5ADC3C6) (Installed)++ 026 - 16.LowPolyTrees-33414.7z (9AA85BC1) (Installed)027 - ==--House-Dungeons-Castles-Quests--==++ 028 - Better_Dark_Brotherhood_Sanctuary-BAIN-22135-3-02.7z (75DEE90A) (Installed)++ 029 - Better_Abandoned_House_v1-22-BAIN-25319.7z (166C4B5C) (Installed)++ 030 - Better_Benirus_Manor_BAIN-4.7.1-18054.7z (DAFB5033) (Installed)++ 031 - Better_Benirus_Manor_-_Helping_Hands-23146-2-0.7z (D64883A4) (Installed)++ 032 - A_Brotherhood_Renewed-31773.7z (A848C6B3) (Installed)++ 033 - Aleswell_Cottage_ver_2-28702-1.7z (8C378AD3) (Installed)++ 034 - Vergayun-26643-1-0-7.7z (E3A80433) (Installed)++ 035 - Feldscar-30000-1-0-9.7z (E81DBDC5) (Installed)++ 036 - Faregyl_Village-21562-2-0-1.7z (B457CAD1) (Installed)++ 037 - Frostcrag_Village-37655-1-0-1.7z (DCAD282D) (Installed)++ 038 - TIE-35265-1-44.7z (9476501B) (Installed)++ 039 - Peruggias Passage v1.0.7z (B126FE5F) (Installed)++ 040 - Darkness Hollows1.6.7z (721CCD19) (Installed)++ 041 - PTArtifactsProperV11-29931.7z (911DD4EF) (Installed)++ 042 - ChapelShop.7z (51620888) (Installed)++ 043 - Weynon Retreat 1.5.7z (049F6FE9) (Installed)044 - ==--Body-Race--==++ 045 - 1.Cosmetic Compilation Revived - Capucine-17042.7z (00C83C68) (Installed)++ 046 - 2.All_Male_Bodies_Wizard_Installation_Package-37230-0-2.7z (6D8678BE) (Installed)++ 047 - 3.EVE_HGEC_BodyStock_and_Clothing_Wrye_Bash_BAIN_-24078.7z (85D9514C) (Installed)++ 048 - 4.IFT_Improved_Facial_Textures-v21-5643.7z (7E98DEC4) (Installed)++ 049 - 5.Optimized Facegen Files_1_2-35487-1-2.7z (299120F3) (Installed)-- 050 - 6.F-INevOblivion_1_0-BAIN-19021.7z (04553A96) (Not Installed)++ 051 - 7.Tabaxi_Version_2-9870.7z (6B71D144) (Installed)++ 052 - 8.Immersive_Tabaxi_Textures_Complete-22091-1-7.7z (1AFBAAEB) (Installed)++ 053 - 9.Foxs_Female_Argonian_textures_for_Exnems_body_v11-10506.rar (C068570D) (Installed)++ 054 - 10.IAFT_Improved_Argonian_Facial_Textures-6611.7z (2396DCF1) (Installed)++ 055 - 11.DesuChan_Kawa_BodyTextures-For-Khajiit_RM-HGEC-Ver_2_0_1-35579.7z (8F39DF88) (Installed)++ 056 - 12.Exlorians_Khajiit_Tail_for_HGEC-33745.rar (5E9DD6F1) (Installed)++ 057 - 13.The_n_Dywyll_Elves-35397.7z (AB7F2FE4) (Installed)++ 058 - 14.SP_Hair_Pack_Beta_Ver_1_0-30707.7z (4640AFFD) (Installed)059 - ==--Companion-Creatures--==++ 060 - Companion_Vilja_ver_3-28977.7z (7FACA9AA) (Installed)++ 061 - Xtudos_Noise_Rerduction_for_Vilja_ver_3_bsa-28977.rar (29BFEF29) (Installed)++ 062 - Companion_Vilja_3_0_1_patch-28977.7z (F7BBCB3B) (Installed)-- 063 - Vilja_Customization_pack_3_0_1-With-Alt-Xtudo-28977.7z (4D9E24FF) (Not Installed)++ 064 - 1em_Vilja_as_n_Dywyl_elf_by_Xtudo.7z (0D883500) (Installed)++ 065 - Eyen Vampire hunter-Luchaire-1_2-19822.7z (8CED423C) (Installed)++ 066 - Vilja_in_Aleswell_ver_1_1-28702.7z (12CD45D5) (Installed)++ 067 - Cool_Hair_for_Vilja-28977.7z (F89A9287) (Installed)++ 068 - TIE Cats Full v1.0-34872.7z (07AB2D2E) (Installed)++ 069 - slofs_horses_base_2-24312.7z (3EFC924F) (Installed)++ 070 - Espless_Slofs_Horse_Replacer-v1.2-27675.7z (2BCF76BE) (Installed)++ 071 - Zira_Clydesdale_Horses-v1.1-33560.7z (518CA4F2) (Installed)++ 072 - Xtudos_Zira_Clydesdale_Bruses-ver1.1-28977.7z (AFBE78A1) (Installed)++ 073 - Little_Baron_Vermin_1p5-35913-1p5.7z (A31D2C4A) (Installed)++ 074 - Little_Baron_Water_Beasts_v_1p3-36111-1p3.7z (B86F8943) (Installed)++ 075 - Little_Baron_Undead_Additions-37529-FINAL.7z (4527E919) (Installed)++ 076 - Deadlier_Creatures_V2-31882.rar (09BC037C) (Installed)077 - ==--Armour-Clothing-HGEC--==++ 078 - Sister_Of_Eisen-HGEC-25389.7z (A44B41F3) (Installed)++ 079 - Dark_Sisterhood_armor-28583.7z (6B13A5CC) (Installed)++ 080 - Underworld_armor-25734.rar (C5D41A92) (Installed)++ 081 - ExnemEC_Warrior01-13208.7z (AC25743C) (Installed)++ 082 - Gizmodian_-_Shell_of_the_Artifice-32969.7z (A6C9DF0E) (Installed)++ 083 - Captain_Molly_HGEC-28765.7z (BC382B0E) (Installed)++ 084 - Westwind_Rogue_HGEC-27319.7z (15755255) (Installed)++ 085 - IndigoArmor_v1_1_1_Fix-16645.7z (4F382ECC) (Installed)++ 086 - Elwing_Outfits_for_HGEC_v1_1-22330.7z (0C9700D0) (Installed)++ 087 - Gothic_Fetish_Outfit-36963-1-0.7z (305D3E7B) (Installed)++ 088 - CBDarkEnchantress-36199.7z (EC9F20A7) (Installed)++ 089 - SylvanArmor-37503-1-0.7z (F9B9D1C9) (Installed)++ 090 - BaronArmor_v2-35464-2-0.7z (C25C2A79) (Installed)++ 091 - Minibloomers_v1_1-BAIN-36177-1-1.7z (AFE898DF) (Installed)092 - ==--Weapons--==++ 093 - SothaDagger_-_The_Ornate_Dwemer_Blade-24236.rar (A9231713) (Installed)++ 094 - Nicos_Tabaxi_Bows_v1_0-17444.rar (41579318) (Installed)++ 095 - Blade of Woe and Sufferthorn Replacer.rar (92842CB0) (Installed)++ 096 - Kodachi_Swords_1_1-36995-1-1.7z (836E56F8) (Installed)++ 097 - Pekka_Shields_v12-14821.7z (7B4ACE88) (Installed)++ 098 - Explosives_v1_2-32267-1-2.7z (30D87C38) (Installed)099 - ==--Misc-Placers--==++ 100 - Improved Soulgems for TIE.7z (C70A668A) (Installed)++ 101 - Better_Potion_Bottles_Reduced_1dot2-14347.7z (93FC23BE) (Installed)++ 102 - better.looking.toolsv1.2.7z (13B10721) (Installed)103 - ====Game UI - Mechanics====++ 104 - DarkUId_DarN_16_Manual_Version-BAIN-11280.7z (04E2711F) (Installed)++ 105 - Display_Stats_2_0_1-31855-2-0-1.rar (3AA3907A) (Installed)++ 106 - Metallicow_Cursor_Mod_v1-35856-1.7z (883CCACD) (Installed)++ 107 - Cyrodiil_Terrain_Map_v25-2634.7z (10CA4276) (Installed)++ 108 - nvde_Spell-31168.rar (0D190B53) (Installed)++ 109 - Duke Patricks - Combat Archery Rev 5.1.1.7z (52802798) (Installed)++ 110 - Streamline_31_BAIN-22170.7z (7592F61A) (Installed)++ 111 - Wrye Bash INI Tweaks Xtras.7z (FBD5993E) (Installed)++ 112 - OSR_4-1-24_RC_ini_TH3-23208-1.7z (B2213352) (Installed)++ 113 - FastExit_2-22410.zip (33FF14FA) (Installed)++ 114 - OBSE_-Elys-_Universal_Silent_Voice_v93-16622.7z (4249925D) (Installed)115 - ==Last==-- 116 - RefScope_2_1_2-21862-2-1-2.zip (A57B7DD5) (Not Installed)-- 117 - Kill_The_Statues-21008.zip (B5B0E6E4) (Not Installed)-- 118 - Update_My_Statue-3428.zip (0188D1B3) (Not Installed)-- 119 - Vilja_ver_3_Documentation-28977.7z (F549731B) (Not Installed)

Load Order:

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.5]02  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp03  DLCShiveringIsles.esp04  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.2]**  Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp**  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp**  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp++  RedBag - Fog.esp++  phinix-waterfix.esp05  WindowLightingSystem.esp06  diversegrasses.esp07  ImprovedSigns.esp08  Display Stats.esp  [Version 2.0.1]09  Streamline 3.1.esp0A  DLCHorseArmor.esp0B  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]0C  DLCOrrery.esp0D  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]**  DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp0E  DLCVileLair.esp0F  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]10  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp11  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]**  DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk UOP.esp12  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp13  BaronArmor.esp++  Blade Of Woe Replacer.esp14  Captain_Molly_HGEC.esp15  CB Dark Enchantress.esp16  Chapel Shop.esp17  Elwing.esp18  Explosives.esp19  Gizmodian - Shell of the Artifice.esp1A  GizmodianSothaDagger.esp1B  Gothic Fetish Outfit.esp1C  Hentai DarkSisterhoodArmor.esp1D  Kodachi Swords.esp1E  LKF_EY_Vampirehunter.esp1F  minibloomers.esp20  Nicos Tabaxi Bows.esp21  Pekka_Shields_Light.esp22  PTArtifacts.esp23  Sister_of_Eisen_HGEC.esp24  SylvanArmor.esp25  Underworld Armor.esp26  Westwind_Rogue_HGEC.esp27  ExnemEC_Warrior01.esp28  IndigoArmor.esp29  DLCThievesDen.esp2A  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]2B  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]**  DLCThievesDen Vwalk UOP.esp2C  TIE.esp  [Version 1.44]**  TIE Vwalk.esp++  TIE Cats.esp2D  LBVermin.esp2E  LBUndeadAdditions.esp2F  LBWaterBeasts.esp30  AleswellHomeQuest.esp31  Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp32  Better Benirus Manor - Helping Hands.esp33  Better Benirus Manor.esp  [Version 4.71]34  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0.11]35  DarknessHollows.esp**  DarknessHollows Vwalk.esp36  Peruggia's Passage.esp37  WeynonRetreat.esp38  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp39  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]3A  DLCFrostcrag.esp3B  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]**  DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp3C  Knights.esp3D  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]**  Knights Vwalk UOP.esp**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp3E  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.9]**  Feldscar Vwalk.esp3F  Vergayun.esp  [Version 1.0.7]**  Vergayun Vwalk.esp40  Faregyl.esp  [Version 2.0.1]**  Faregyl Vwalk.esp41  Frostcrag Village.esp  [Version 1.0.1]**  Frostcrag Village Vwalk.esp42  Better Abandoned House.esp43  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp44  ImprovedSoulgems.esp  [Version 1.11]45  Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp  [Version 1.2]46  nvde Spell.esp47  Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp  [Version 5.1.1]48  CCR - Capucine.esp49  n_Dywyll_Elves.esp4A  Tabaxi Race 2.0.esp  [Version 2.0]4B  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 3.1]++  1em_Vilja_as_n_Dywyl_elf_by_Xtudo.esp++  1em_Vilja_coolhair60.esp++  1em_Vilja_Bruse_as_Clydesdale_horse_by_Xtudo.esp4C  ViljainAleswell.esp  [Version 1.1]++  AMB.esp++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp4D  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Using the recommended Bashed Patch SEWorld Tests option to suspend Cyrodiil quests/scripts - No Companion Vilja in tow with this particular game save.

OBSE 0020b6

Tried copying the saves (including obse save) across to the laptop to try on a different machine - Same problem

Tried dropping all equipment/armour/clothing before entering the area - Same problem

Tried with/without the new Bashed patch Import Actors Spells for UOP (which IIRC was related to a shivering isles creature (cant remember which, but just in-case it was Gnarl related which I know have an un-usual capability in this regard)) - Same problem either way.

Tried .. Wild stab in the dark .. Turning off OSR Allowslowmotion - Same problem

» Tue May 03, 2011 6:38 am

There's a good chance this is a side effect of TIE altering the creature scale on the gnarls. The cave you're talking about would have them. This is something that's being scaled back for the next update but won't be ready until I can slog through the rest of the filter patch updates.

» Mon May 02, 2011 11:02 pm

Ah thanks Arthmoor, will try disabling T.I.E experimentally ... need to go swimming with the family first so will post an update of testing in a couple of hours :thumbsup:

» Tue May 03, 2011 1:25 am

..... And thats confirmed - Disabled T.I.E, rebuilt bashed patch, play on and the problem is gone

Will watch out for updates and put that game (or quest) on hold, no problem. I understand all the work going into updating T.I.E at the moment, definitely not something that can be rushed.

Had a wander around down there, quite a lot of Gnarls (various types), some friendly some not so ... But there is an abundance of them.

If you find it is not related to scaling, a few more bashed patch options I use are in the tweak actors, Irresponsible creatures, Quiet feet (4 legged only, so not likely), and Vanilla Beast Skeletons - Even though that registers over 900 tweaks related to T.I.E I dont think that would affect Gnarls either ...

Vanilla Beast Skelton Tweaker
? Sets any NPCs using the vanilla non-beast skeleton path (skeleton.nif) to use the beast skeleton patch (skeletonbeast.nif). This avoids bugs when a mod changes the race of an NPC to a beast race without setting the skeleton path to the beast path, in which case the tail will appear to extend forever and weird stuff like that.

» Mon May 02, 2011 10:41 pm

It's definitely the scaling. Someone else had reported a similar problem with them getting stuck on the collision due to being too large. I cut the scaling in half. They'll still be big but so far as I can tell they also fit inside the enclosed spaces.

» Tue May 03, 2011 12:44 am

Brilliant, more bugs being ironed out - Note to self; keep that save for testing when the update is ready and confirm in the T.I.E thread. Thank you for looking into it Arthmoor.