Technically that isn't true. You could walk from place to place you'd just take forever to do so and see nothing along the way. Daggerfall FT was no more forced than Oblivion's but was most certainly more desirable.

It was basically forced. The way the game was designed forced you to use fast travel. OB was far smaller thus you could easily get by with out using it(I did for over 100 hours). But Daggerfall no way(not a knock on DF btw).

What is the point of this thread? Can't a few TES fans voice a few concerns without upsetting the Beth worshipers out there

LOL! You too? I was like.. 'Bow autoaim.. Fable III. Lock on.. Fable II and III. Obvious 'best weapon'.. Fable III. Hmm..'

I had small worries with Oblivion going towards 'casuals' but when they released Shivering Isles my fears were dispelled. Everything I have heard about Skyrim says it's gonna be the best ES game ever. Hell, maybe even better than Morrowind if they play their cards right.

The thing you call casual is core gamers (exept kinekt) -.-
Majorety of the people on the forums however are hardcoe. (And I don't mean that as The Game Overthinker says, cuz he's talking about core)

That's different from mine... I would have defined a casual gamer as someone who would look to a game while awaiting the pizza delivery, and then move on to a book, or a movie. Or (in the case of an addict), Someone that would play a game if it was straightforward enough, and rewarded them often. I don't see casual players as ones who would put too much stake in a game, or post on its forum, or monitor its development.
They might pick up a game that their friends play, and perhaps discard it for the new game that their friends play ~not giving the past one a second thought.

My definition for 'casual game' seems to have always been one that you can pick up for 10 minutes, and have a blast at it ~then quit for a few weeks, and suddenly pick it up where you left off, or just start again... You can't do this with Planescape or Baldur's gate; you can do it with Doom and heretic, and Zuma, and Bejeweled; and possibly some online games that don't decay while you are not playing.

Casual is someone who never looks up how to be better at a game. The term implies a lack of effort and thus it is the actual effort, not the games, that defines the players. Someone can play CoD all day every day and be casual, but if they look up videos on how to play better or graphs for damage stats and tricks they are hardcoe. Casual vs. hardcoe is NOT about the games themselves, but about player response. Sure, some games are built to make you not have to look stuff up; if someone plays these and does not put in effort to get more out of the game they are casual.

Casual Gamer: one who would not find it worthwhile to try to categorize gamers, let alone get into an argument over the issue...

I hope there is a casual setting. I play for hours on a casual setting. I play to relax and win at something. Elder Scrolls has a casual setting, which is still a bit challenging, constantly watching for traps and such, trying to get my story to work, and pay attention for all the hints and such, on what to do next. I really get into the story line. RPG's are my favorite for that. I hope the talent for a great story is in Skyrim, with so many books, and letters telling of NPC lives. Oblivion was a master piece, and when I play it I am lost in Oblivion. Hope Skyrim gives me that same feeling, to be in a totally fictatious world, filled with awesome mystery. Hope the magic is as intense. I don't watch movies, I play RPG's to create my own movies, with the endings I want. There are a lot of casual players, that play for hours. :wink_smile:

Argumenting? Really?

But yeah I do agree with what you are saying.