People who say PC gaming is dead have absolutely no idea whatsoever..

They are so incredibly ignorant there is not even a point in me correcting them, they just don't care..

It all comes from the console war mentality. One that is frankly just stupid, and is perpetrated but lets say... the younger of the range of game fans. They own one system and feel they need to defend tooth and nail their system to prove the system mom and dad bought them was the right one.

I don't understand why it is so hard to see that PC gaming is just as strong as consoles. In many cases it is better off as PC's are far more future proof, and we are already starting to see hints that the next gen of consoles will be out soon. One as early as next year(nintendo).

Then there is also the, let's call it "popular media" mentality of late on the Internet. One where people make up facts, believe those facts, and no matter how much they can be and are proven wrong stick to those original facts as if they were etched in stone. When speaking with these people it is like talking to a brick wall.

I never said PC gaming was dead,and i hope it doesn't either,thats not my point.
I have a respectfor ( some ) not all PC users,i used to be a PC gamer myself. Even though i'm a console player ,i still appreciate what modders do too,even though i can't use them.There are some very clever people out there. I'm just not ignorant to whats going on around me,whether i see that differently to someone else or not. I like seeing reactions from people,sometimes i find it interesting. I never claim to be better than anyone else,but i do have my opinions,which i have a right to express. If done in the right manner.

I quote you because the topic is, frankly, uninteresting, however your views aren't. As I say, I am not interested on arguing this particular point, whether todd meant it as an exact figure or a figure out of the air, we have nowhere near enough information to give any real answer, but in some areas we do - the success or failure of PC gaming is one of those areas. That giving evidence that points towards something's strength weakens one's argument is an interesting proposition indeed!

But,if the topic is uninteresting to you,why feel the need to defend the person i was relying to,and why comment here at all?
Interesting indeed.

I'm not defending them, I'm questioning why you feel bringing evidence into a discussion actively weakens one's position. Whether we're talking about something as trivial as the playerbase split of a video game, or something as important as budget splits for hospitals, evidence is a vital part of any proper discussion. If you handwave away other sides, then you're not really discussing anything at all.

One word: Piracy

Again,if you are not interested in the topic,why question me about a response that was given to someone else?.....I could answer that for you,but i will let you figure that for yourself.

Seven words: It is just as bad on consoles.

The first version of a pirated AAA game is always the 360 version. Saying piracy is the reason some PC games don't sell is a cop out.

If your attitude were confined to this topic, I would have, but it is not. If you are unwilling to discuss, and prefer to simply dodge the question, then I can take a hint.

That sound a little like your twisting things around,because you've been caught short,but thats fine.

Pc gaming has always been a niche market. There are a multitude of reasons why people don't use the PC to game. I know several people who own a PC but don't use it for gaming. They are afraid to get involved with the inner workings of the things, or don't understand the technical jargon , too lazy to be bothered, etc. Consoles come ready to go, they cost less in the short term and they don't have to look at the guts to install stuff.

I was a little intimidated the first time I had to upgrade my gpu. I was a little miffed to find that I couldn't get one off the shelf with a power supply that has enough juice to run an ati 5770 video card too. I can understand how people would just go the easy route. I just wish that they would release new hardware a little more often. There are only a few games that take advantage of the current technology that my machine can easily run.

I figure that the reason PC only titles sell more units than a cross platform game is the fact that the same people who play games on their pc also own other hardware. Could be just to justify owning them or convenience. My brother owns a gaming pc and a ps3. He rents a lot of games he could easily play on his pc but doesn't want to buy them.

You are thinking too linear and exactly at the 90% number, he said it is somewhat true, meaning that the real % could be everything form 75%-95%.

The PC gamers usually play the game for much longer (I wonder why), so perhaps you think the PC gamers have a bigger audience because they are "with the game" for longer, so to speak.

Really now? My sole real question: "Why do you think that bringing evidence into a discussion actively makes somebody's position weaker?" has been avoided every time I've asked it. Clearly you either have no answer, or do not wish to answer - neither of those make for a good discussion, so there's no point in having one.

Yes but if we know the sale of other games we can estimate sales.
Now add that Oblivion was a high end game then it was released, lots of people had to upgrade hardware before buying, other first booth it on console then on PC.
So late sales for Oblivion would be high compared with most other games.

I haven't avoided it at all,the answer is there,you just haven'tt seen it yet.....why? because your too busy twisting things ,because you have been caught short....it's not hard.

Too late for that.



It doesn't.



Where did you see this? The article I saw doesn't say the creation kit is possibly coming to consoles. It said that player made mods might possibly someday make it to consoles. [it could also be where the estimate of the total audience they would like to sell game to came from]


And again this has ended up in platform bashing. Don't drag it up again, please.