CTD at midnight (in game) : IV

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:51 pm

I seem to keep crashing at midnight!

I do have the quest where I met the wood elf in Skingrad at Midnight ... I do not know if that has anything to do it with. I have tried leaving the town as well as making another quest active.

I am using BOSS ... not Wyred Bash though.

List:

Spoiler

Oblivion.esmJog_X_Mod.esmYou Are Here.esmAll Natural Base.esmOscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esmKvatch Rebuilt.esmBetter Cities Resources.esmDA Run Fatigue.esmEasy_Companion_Share.esmHorseCombatMaster.esmUnofficial Oblivion Patch.espDLCShiveringIsles.espNatural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.espAll Natural.espAll Natural - SI.espNatural_Water_by_Max_Tael.espphinix-waterfix.espWindowLightingSystem.espAmbientDungeons.espBook Jackets Oblivion.espCyrodiil Most Wanted v.1.0.espDistantRuins.espFishing in Cyrodiil.espImprovedSigns.espTDDM.espFGPorter_nofollow.espBetter Beggars.espRAEVWD Cities.espRAEVWD Imperial City.espCutthroat Merchants.espEnhanced Economy.espmoDem's City Life.espCrowded Roads Revisited.espPTRoamingNPCs.espForward Motion Blur.espDLCHorseArmor.espDLCOrrery.espDLCVileLair.espDLCMehrunesRazor.espDLCSpellTomes.espCapesandCloaks.espThieves Arsenal.espRope Ladders v1.espMD_Saddle_Bags.espDLCThievesDen.espOscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.espCyrodiil transportation network 1.3.esp300 Regal Imperial City 2.espBrotherhoodRenewed.espEpic Dark Brotherhood.espJK_lighthouse.espGuards.espJagnot- Imperial City Library V1.3.espKvatch Rebuilt.espKvatch Rebuilt - Oblivion XP Patch.espKvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.espLetThePeopleDrink.espLOCH_New_Skingrad_Bridge.espMag1cWind0w_The_Imperial_Water.espTheElderCouncil.espthievery.espthievery - EE patch.espWindow Entrances 1.0.espza_bankmod.espDLCBattlehornCastle.espDLCFrostcrag.espKnights.espxuldarkforest.espxulStendarrValley.espxulTheHeath.espXulEntiusGorge.espxulFallenleafEverglade.espxulColovianHighlands_EV.espxulChorrolHinterland.espxulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.espxulBravilBarrowfields.espxulLushWoodlands.espxulAncientYews.espxulAncientRedwoods.espxulCloudtopMountains.espxulRollingHills_EV.espxulPantherRiver.espxulRiverEthe.espxulBrenaRiverRavine.espxulImperialIsle.espxulBlackwoodForest.espxulCheydinhalFalls.espKvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.espxulAspenWood.espxulSkingradOutskirts.espxulSnowdale.espOOO-Snowdale Patch.espHarvest [Flora].espHarvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.espHarvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.espHarvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.espReal Lava 1.3.espExterior Actors Have Torches 1.0 CT.espResizedPassivenQuiet.espTorchesBlowOut.espWolfPacksOscuroAddOn.espRoleplaying Dialogues.espCliff_Roleplayingcharacter.espDA ReducedBackwardsRunningSpeed.espNekhanimal's Awesome Vampire Mod.espDiplomacy and Mercy.espRealistic Sneak for NPCs.espattack and hide v1.1.espStealthOverhaul.espStealth Entrances v1.espSTEALTHIER THIEVING.espNo psychic guards v1.1.espRenGuardOverhaul.espDeadly Reflex 5 - Timed block and 150% damage.espDeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.espOblivion XP.espimmersive_caves_manual.espAMB.espMM_NoMoreAnnoyingMessages.espOOO-Respawn_Two_Week.espImpeREAL City - Unique Districts.espArenaExpansionv1.0.espArcane University Addon.espThieves_of_Cyrodiil.espVampireNoAge.espNo Beginning Travel.esp

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:57 am

Heavy load order + no bashed patch = trouble. Period.

The tools are there to help you play a stable game. There's no excuse not to use it. All Natural requires it even. The most difficult thing to do is troubleshoot a load order that's not helping itself.
If you're having trouble creating a bashed patch there are http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35230 to help.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:23 am

I seem to keep crashing at midnight!

I do have the quest where I met the wood elf in Skingrad at Midnight ... I do not know if that has anything to do it with. I have tried leaving the town as well as making another quest active.

I am using BOSS ... not Wyred Bash though.

List:

Spoiler

Oblivion.esmJog_X_Mod.esmYou Are Here.esmAll Natural Base.esmOscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esmKvatch Rebuilt.esmBetter Cities Resources.esmDA Run Fatigue.esmEasy_Companion_Share.esmHorseCombatMaster.esmUnofficial Oblivion Patch.espDLCShiveringIsles.espNatural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.espAll Natural.espAll Natural - SI.espNatural_Water_by_Max_Tael.espphinix-waterfix.espWindowLightingSystem.espAmbientDungeons.espBook Jackets Oblivion.espCyrodiil Most Wanted v.1.0.espDistantRuins.espFishing in Cyrodiil.espImprovedSigns.espTDDM.espFGPorter_nofollow.espBetter Beggars.espRAEVWD Cities.espRAEVWD Imperial City.espCutthroat Merchants.espEnhanced Economy.espmoDem's City Life.espCrowded Roads Revisited.espPTRoamingNPCs.espForward Motion Blur.espDLCHorseArmor.espDLCOrrery.espDLCVileLair.espDLCMehrunesRazor.espDLCSpellTomes.espCapesandCloaks.espThieves Arsenal.espRope Ladders v1.espMD_Saddle_Bags.espDLCThievesDen.espOscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.espCyrodiil transportation network 1.3.esp300 Regal Imperial City 2.espBrotherhoodRenewed.espEpic Dark Brotherhood.espJK_lighthouse.espGuards.espJagnot- Imperial City Library V1.3.espKvatch Rebuilt.espKvatch Rebuilt - Oblivion XP Patch.espKvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.espLetThePeopleDrink.espLOCH_New_Skingrad_Bridge.espMag1cWind0w_The_Imperial_Water.espTheElderCouncil.espthievery.espthievery - EE patch.espWindow Entrances 1.0.espza_bankmod.espDLCBattlehornCastle.espDLCFrostcrag.espKnights.espxuldarkforest.espxulStendarrValley.espxulTheHeath.espXulEntiusGorge.espxulFallenleafEverglade.espxulColovianHighlands_EV.espxulChorrolHinterland.espxulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.espxulBravilBarrowfields.espxulLushWoodlands.espxulAncientYews.espxulAncientRedwoods.espxulCloudtopMountains.espxulRollingHills_EV.espxulPantherRiver.espxulRiverEthe.espxulBrenaRiverRavine.espxulImperialIsle.espxulBlackwoodForest.espxulCheydinhalFalls.espKvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.espxulAspenWood.espxulSkingradOutskirts.espxulSnowdale.espOOO-Snowdale Patch.espHarvest [Flora].espHarvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.espHarvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.espHarvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.espReal Lava 1.3.espExterior Actors Have Torches 1.0 CT.espResizedPassivenQuiet.espTorchesBlowOut.espWolfPacksOscuroAddOn.espRoleplaying Dialogues.espCliff_Roleplayingcharacter.espDA ReducedBackwardsRunningSpeed.espNekhanimal's Awesome Vampire Mod.espDiplomacy and Mercy.espRealistic Sneak for NPCs.espattack and hide v1.1.espStealthOverhaul.espStealth Entrances v1.espSTEALTHIER THIEVING.espNo psychic guards v1.1.espRenGuardOverhaul.espDeadly Reflex 5 - Timed block and 150% damage.espDeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.espOblivion XP.espimmersive_caves_manual.espAMB.espMM_NoMoreAnnoyingMessages.espOOO-Respawn_Two_Week.espImpeREAL City - Unique Districts.espArenaExpansionv1.0.espArcane University Addon.espThieves_of_Cyrodiil.espVampireNoAge.espNo Beginning Travel.esp

There is a circle of hell reserved for people who do not follow the instructions in readmes.

Sometimes, that thought is the only thing keeping me going...

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:58 pm

It is a heavy loader .... sorry that I liked so many great mods.

I will def. Wyre Bash it soon .... always seems to intimidate me.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:52 pm

Thank you for forcing me to set up Wyre Bash .. overall, I can tell a big difference.

I do still crash at this part of the game though, is my save game already bloated? I am not that far in ... would you recommend that I start from the beginning now that I am "properly" setup?

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:12 pm

Excellent. If you could repost your load order now it would be a big help. (In Wrye Bash, in the Mods tab, right click on the header "File" and go to List Mods. Copy and paste it all here, including spoiler and code tags. This will help us see version numbers of your mods and what's been merged into the patch).

One thing I've already noticed is you have Better Cities Resources.esm, but none of the esp's.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:08 am

Wrinklyninjas "fire and brimstone" message saves the day. :flame: :bowdown:

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:28 pm

Thank you for forcing me to set up Wyre Bash .. overall, I can tell a big difference.

Installing it alone makes nothing. You must rebuild your Bashed Patch as the "All Natural" readme says.

Also, it would't do wrong to install and run BOSS to reorder your list.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:41 am

Excellent. If you could repost your load order now it would be a big help. (In Wrye Bash, in the Mods tab, right click on the header "File" and go to List Mods. Copy and paste it all here, including spoiler and code tags. This will help us see version numbers of your mods and what's been merged into the patch).

One thing I've already noticed is you have Better Cities Resources.esm, but none of the esp's.

Here is my list order. About Better Cities .... I think it was included with another mod ... can't remember which one.

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Jog_X_Mod.esm02  You Are Here.esm03  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.3]04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]06  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm07  Better Cities Resources.esm08  DA Run Fatigue.esm09  Easy_Companion_Share.esm0A  HorseCombatMaster.esm0B  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]0C  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0D  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp0E  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.3]0F  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.3]10  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp++  phinix-waterfix.esp11  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.3]12  WindowLightingSystem.esp13  AmbientDungeons.esp  [Version 1.3]14  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp15  Cyrodiil Most Wanted v.1.0.esp16  DistantRuins.esp17  Fishing in Cyrodiil.esp18  ImprovedSigns.esp19  TDDM.esp++  FGPorter_nofollow.esp++  Better Beggars.esp1A  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.8]1B  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.8]1C  Cutthroat Merchants.esp1D  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.3.1]1E  moDem's City Life.esp1F  Crowded Roads Revisited.esp  [Version 1.1]20  PTRoamingNPCs.esp21  Forward Motion Blur.esp22  DLCHorseArmor.esp23  DLCOrrery.esp24  DLCVileLair.esp25  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp26  DLCSpellTomes.esp27  CapesandCloaks.esp28  Thieves Arsenal.esp29  Rope Ladders v1.esp2A  MD_Saddle_Bags.esp2B  DLCThievesDen.esp2C  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]2D  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]2E  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]2F  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]30  Cyrodiil transportation network 1.3.esp31  300 Regal Imperial City 2.esp32  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0.7]33  Epic Dark Brotherhood.esp34  JK_lighthouse.esp35  Guards.esp36  Jagnot- Imperial City Library V1.3.esp37  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp38  Kvatch Rebuilt - Oblivion XP Patch.esp++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp39  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]3A  LOCH_New_Skingrad_Bridge.esp  [Version 1.0]3B  Mag1cWind0w_The_Imperial_Water.esp3C  TheElderCouncil.esp3D  thievery.esp3E  thievery - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]3F  Window Entrances 1.0.esp40  za_bankmod.esp41  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp42  DLCFrostcrag.esp43  Knights.esp44  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]45  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]46  xulTheHeath.esp47  XulEntiusGorge.esp48  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]49  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]4A  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]4B  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]4C  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]4D  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]4E  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]4F  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]50  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]51  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]52  xulPantherRiver.esp53  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]54  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]55  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.5]56  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]57  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]58  KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp59  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]5A  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]5B  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0]5C  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp5D  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]5E  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Real Lava 1.3.esp5F  Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.0 CT.esp++  ResizedPassivenQuiet.esp60  TorchesBlowOut.esp61  WolfPacksOscuroAddOn.esp  [Version 1.0]62  Roleplaying Dialogues.esp63  Cliff_Roleplayingcharacter.esp++  DA ReducedBackwardsRunningSpeed.esp64  Nekhanimal's Awesome Vampire Mod.esp65  Diplomacy and Mercy.esp66  Realistic Sneak for NPCs.esp  [Version 1.04]67  attack and hide v1.1.esp68  StealthOverhaul.esp69  Stealth Entrances v1.esp++  STEALTHIER THIEVING.esp6A  No psychic guards v1.1.esp6B  RenGuardOverhaul.esp6C  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp6D  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp6E  Oblivion XP.esp  [Version 4.1.5]6F  immersive_caves_manual.esp++  AMB.esp70  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]++  Better Looking Dark Elves.esp71  Better Looking Redguards.esp72  MM_NoMoreAnnoyingMessages.esp  [Version 1.2]73  OOO-Respawn_Two_Week.esp  [Version 1.33]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.3]74  Bashed Patch, 0.esp75  ImpeREAL City - Unique Districts.esp76  ArenaExpansionv1.0.esp77  Arcane University Addon.esp78  Thieves_of_Cyrodiil.esp79  VampireNoAge.esp7A  No Beginning Travel.esp

Installing it alone makes nothing. You must rebuild your Bashed Patch as the "All Natural" readme says.

Also, it would't do wrong to install and run BOSS to reorder your list.

I am not stupid ... I got that part of it. Followed their tutorial pdf, removed All Natural, re-installed using Wyre bash .... merged some items, rebuilded the bash patch. And I did run BOSS afterwards as it was also mentioned within the Wyre Bash threads.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:36 pm

None of this is related to your crash I think, but:

Remove Cutthroat Merchants.esp, Enhanced Economy includes such functionality.

Install the Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch, the Unofficial Official Mods Patches and the UOP Supplementals.

Update your OOO to 1.34 beta 5.

Install the Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch, it should have been installed if you selected Kvatch Rebuilt support when installing All Natural.

You don't need attack and hide v1.1.esp or No psychic guards v1.1.esp when using Stealth Overhaul and RenGuardOverhaul.esp, remove them.

Also, none of the mods loading after your Bashed Patch should be there, AFAIK.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:02 am

None of this is related to your crash I think, but:

Remove Cutthroat Merchants.esp, Enhanced Economy includes such functionality.

Install the Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch, the Unofficial Official Mods Patches and the UOP Supplementals.

Update your OOO to 1.34 beta 5.

Install the Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch, it should have been installed if you selected Kvatch Rebuilt support when installing All Natural.

You don't need attack and hide v1.1.esp or No psychic guards v1.1.esp when using Stealth Overhaul and RenGuardOverhaul.esp, remove them.

Also, none of the mods loading after your Bashed Patch should be there, AFAIK.

Thank you so much for the suggestions.

Updated list:

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Jog_X_Mod.esm02  You Are Here.esm03  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.3]04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]06  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm07  Better Cities Resources.esm08  DA Run Fatigue.esm09  Easy_Companion_Share.esm0A  HorseCombatMaster.esm0B  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.5]0C  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0D  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.2]0E  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp0F  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.3]10  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.3]11  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp++  phinix-waterfix.esp12  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.3]13  WindowLightingSystem.esp14  AmbientDungeons.esp  [Version 1.3]15  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp16  Cyrodiil Most Wanted v.1.0.esp17  DistantRuins.esp18  Fishing in Cyrodiil.esp19  ImprovedSigns.esp1A  TDDM.esp++  FGPorter_nofollow.esp++  Better Beggars.esp1B  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.8]1C  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.8]1D  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.3.1]1E  moDem's City Life.esp1F  Crowded Roads Revisited.esp  [Version 1.1]20  PTRoamingNPCs.esp21  Forward Motion Blur.esp22  DLCHorseArmor.esp23  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]24  DLCOrrery.esp25  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]26  DLCVileLair.esp27  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]28  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp29  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]2A  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]2B  CapesandCloaks.esp2C  Thieves Arsenal.esp2D  Rope Ladders v1.esp2E  MD_Saddle_Bags.esp2F  DLCThievesDen.esp30  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]31  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]32  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]33  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]34  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]35  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]36  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]37  Cyrodiil transportation network 1.3.esp38  300 Regal Imperial City 2.esp39  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0.7]3A  Epic Dark Brotherhood.esp3B  JK_lighthouse.esp3C  Guards.esp3D  Jagnot- Imperial City Library V1.3.esp3E  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp3F  Kvatch Rebuilt - Oblivion XP Patch.esp++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp40  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]41  LOCH_New_Skingrad_Bridge.esp  [Version 1.0]42  Mag1cWind0w_The_Imperial_Water.esp43  TheElderCouncil.esp44  thievery.esp45  thievery - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]46  Window Entrances 1.0.esp47  za_bankmod.esp48  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp49  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]4A  DLCFrostcrag.esp4B  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]4C  Knights.esp4D  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]4E  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]4F  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]50  xulTheHeath.esp51  XulEntiusGorge.esp52  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]53  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]54  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]55  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]56  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]57  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]58  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]59  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]5A  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]5B  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]5C  xulPantherRiver.esp5D  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]5E  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]5F  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.5]60  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]61  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]62  KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp63  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]64  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]65  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0]66  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp67  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]68  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Real Lava 1.3.esp69  Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.0 CT.esp++  ResizedPassivenQuiet.esp6A  TorchesBlowOut.esp6B  WolfPacksOscuroAddOn.esp  [Version 1.0]6C  Roleplaying Dialogues.esp6D  Cliff_Roleplayingcharacter.esp++  DA ReducedBackwardsRunningSpeed.esp6E  Nekhanimal's Awesome Vampire Mod.esp6F  Diplomacy and Mercy.esp70  Realistic Sneak for NPCs.esp  [Version 1.04]71  StealthOverhaul.esp72  Stealth Entrances v1.esp++  STEALTHIER THIEVING.esp73  RenGuardOverhaul.esp74  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp75  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp76  Oblivion XP.esp  [Version 4.1.5]77  immersive_caves_manual.esp++  AMB.esp78  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]++  Better Looking Dark Elves.esp79  Better Looking Redguards.esp7A  MM_NoMoreAnnoyingMessages.esp  [Version 1.2]7B  OOO-Respawn_Two_Week.esp  [Version 1.33]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.3]7C  ImpeREAL City - Unique Districts.esp7D  ArenaExpansionv1.0.esp7E  Arcane University Addon.esp7F  Thieves_of_Cyrodiil.esp80  VampireNoAge.esp81  No Beginning Travel.esp82  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Also, not a deal breaker for me ... but I am having this weird issue. I originally had the better Redguard Texture Mod, but I turned it off. I noticed that the hand color was now darker, so I turned the mod back on and now the hand color is lighter again, but the body is darker .... what gives?

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:26 pm

I still don't see the Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch anywhere there. Also, you don't need to use the DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp plugin, I believe BOSS tells you this. Make sure to read the rest of BOSS's notes for your plugins to see if there's anything there you need to do.

To solve your crash, you'll probably have to deactivate mods until you find which causes the crash - I'd start by deactivating all the mods that might do things at certain times, and those that modify Skingrad, then see if the crash occurs again. If not, start reactivating them one by one. If it still crashes, deactivate some other mods until you find the culprit.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:39 am

I still don't see the Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch anywhere there. Also, you don't need to use the DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp plugin, I believe BOSS tells you this. Make sure to read the rest of BOSS's notes for your plugins to see if there's anything there you need to do.

Thanks wrinklyninja,

I went a little zip happy with the DLC patches. I did have the weather patch installed ... just not activated .... that is done now. Time to test and see what is causing the issue.

To solve your crash, you'll probably have to deactivate mods until you find which causes the crash - I'd start by deactivating all the mods that might do things at certain times, and those that modify Skingrad, then see if the crash occurs again. If not, start reactivating them one by one. If it still crashes, deactivate some other mods until you find the culprit.

Doing some test on previous saves not in Skingrad ... it must just be time related as it crashes at midnight no matter where I am at. Is there a way to find out which mods effect time?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:29 am

The cultpit was The Elder Council

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:44 am

The cultpit was The Elder Council

Colour me Unsurprised Grey. You'll probably have to uninstall it - the mods by the author who made that mod are known for being incompatible with lots of others, mainly because they're pretty much overhauls in their own right, but also because they contain a large number of dirty edits. You could try cleaning the mod, there's a thread with links to instructions on this forum somewhere.

Also, AFAIK you've got to use a massive resources pack with many of the author's mods, and I don't see the master file for that in your load order - that could also be a problem. I think the resource pack was called CURP or something. I'm not too familiar with the subject, not least because said author and his mods are something of a taboo here after a falling out some years ago.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:34 am

Colour me Unsurprised Grey. You'll probably have to uninstall it - the mods by the author who made that mod are known for being incompatible with lots of others, mainly because they're pretty much overhauls in their own right, but also because they contain a large number of dirty edits. You could try cleaning the mod, there's a thread with links to instructions on this forum somewhere.

Also, AFAIK you've got to use a massive resources pack with many of the author's mods, and I don't see the master file for that in your load order - that could also be a problem. I think the resource pack was called CURP or something. I'm not too familiar with the subject, not least because said author and his mods are something of a taboo here after a falling out some years ago.

I liked the idea of the mod .... but it is not deal breaker for how I want to experience the game. I already deleted the files.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:46 am

Good work, revelations, glad that's sorted.

Regarding your Redguard issue, it sounds like a mix-up of texture files. I would suggest, first, uninstall the mod via OBMM or Wyre Bash. Go into your Oblivion\Data\Textures\Characters\Redguard folder and delete the following files;

In Female - footfemale.dds, footfemale_n.dds, handfemale.dds, handfemale_n.dds
In Male - footmale.dds, footmale_n.dds

Go in game and all redguards should revert back to using vanilla textures. Now try re-installing it, re-adding those files above that come with the mod. Sometimes just turning a mod off, especially texture replacers doesn't remove all the files.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:50 am

Good work, revelations, glad that's sorted.

Regarding your Redguard issue, it sounds like a mix-up of texture files. I would suggest, first, uninstall the mod via OBMM or Wyre Bash. Go into your Oblivion\Data\Textures\Characters\Redguard folder and delete the following files;

In Female - footfemale.dds, footfemale_n.dds, handfemale.dds, handfemale_n.dds
In Male - footmale.dds, footmale_n.dds

Go in game and all redguards should revert back to using vanilla textures. Now try re-installing it, re-adding those files above that come with the mod. Sometimes just turning a mod off, especially texture replacers doesn't remove all the files.

I removed all of the files and now the skin is back to being lighter(normal) , but the hand is even light. Guess it is pulling the hand coloring from a different race?

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:35 pm

Hmm, possibly from Cobl Races, I don't know if it touches Redguards or not though.
When you built your bashed patch, was Better Redguards listed under Race Records?