Saving delay : IV

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:06 am

I'm getting about a 5 second delay when I save. Every time I quicksave, the Oblivion pauses for about 4 - 5 seconds and then continues. There hasn't been any other problems with saves besides that. I'll list my mods, maybe someone knows of a mod that causes this.

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Active Mod Files:
00 Oblivion.esm
01 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.3]
02 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm [Version 4.5bSI]
03 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm [Version 4.5bSI]
04 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.73]
05 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
06 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
07 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
08 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
09 Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 4.9.5]
0A Progress.esm [Version 2.2]
0B CustomSpellIcons.esm
0C HorseCombatMaster.esm
** Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53]
** Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53]
0D Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.3.5]
0E Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
0F DLCShiveringIsles.esp
10 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.2]
** MOBS SI.esp [Version 1.2.2a]
11 MOBS SI Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.2.2a]
** DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp
** DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp
12 Better Cities .esp [Version 4.7.0]
13 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
14 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
15 FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
16 FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
17 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
18 Fran Armor Add-on.esp
19 Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp
1A Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
1B Ls More Butterflies and Fireflies Not In Interiors 5.0 Quarter.esp
1C All Natural.esp [Version 1.3]
1D All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.3]
1E All Natural - MMM Patch.esp [Version 1.3]
1F OBGE - Liquid Water.esp
20 Symphony of Violence.esp
21 MIS Low Wind.esp
22 MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
23 Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
24 Side's EAX Control.esp [Version 1.0]
25 Rainbows.esp
26 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.3]
27 WindowLightingSystem.esp
28 Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
29 Cobl Bookjackets.esp
2A HUDI.esp
2B ImprovedSigns.esp
2C P-Froggys First Person Body.esp [Version 1.0]
2D PTFallingStars.esp
2E RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp [Version 1.7]
2F Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 5.2.2]
30 Display Stats.esp [Version 2.0.1]
31 DynamicLeveledLists.esp
32 kuerteeAutoSaveAndTime.esp
33 kuerteeCleanUp.esp
34 MotionBlur.esp
35 VipCxj_RadarSystem.esp
36 Dynamic Map.esp [Version 2.0]
37 Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.9]
38 Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.5]
39 DLCHorseArmor.esp
3A DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]
3B ClassyClothingCompendium.esp
3C Zira's Horse Modpack - My Horses.esp
3D Zira's Horse Modpack - Heavy Legion Horses.esp
3E Zira's Horse Modpack - Friesian Horses.esp
3F Zira's Horse Modpack - Extra Horses.esp
40 Zira's Horse Modpack - More Horses.esp
41 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.73]
42 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
43 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
44 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
45 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp [Version 1.09]
46 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB5]
47 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
48 OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33]
49 VA_BetterGold.esp
4A Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp
4B Alluring Wine Bottles.esp
** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp
4C OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
4D OBSE-Storms & Sound SI.esp
4E FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
4F FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
50 FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
51 Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
52 Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
53 Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
54 Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
55 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3f]
56 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
57 Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
** Fransfemale.esp
58 MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.73]
59 wd purse of wonders.esp
** EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp
5A Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
5B Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
** Kvatch Rebuilt Vwalk.esp
5C LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.5]
5D 24HrArenaAliveV2.esp
5E Knights.esp
5F Knights - Book Jackets.esp
60 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1]
** Knights Vwalk UOP.esp
61 FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
62 xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5]
63 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
64 xulTheHeath.esp
65 XulEntiusGorge.esp
66 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
67 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
68 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
** xulChorrolHinterland Vwalk.esp
69 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]
6A xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]
** xulBravilBarrowfields Vwalk.esp
6B xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.1]
6C xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3]
6D xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
6E xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
6F xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
70 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
71 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.3]
** xulRollingHills_EV Vwalk.esp
72 xulPantherRiver.esp
73 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
74 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1]
** xulBrenaRiverRavine Vwalk.esp
75 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.6]
** xulImperialIsle Vwalk.esp
76 xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0]
77 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
78 KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
79 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2]
** xulAspenWood Vwalk.esp
7A xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.1]
7B xulSkingradOutskirts Vwalk.esp
7C xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.2]
7D OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp
7E xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp
7F OOOCliffsofAnvilPatch.esp [Version 1.0]
** xulCliffsOfAnvil Vwalk.esp
80 FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp [Version 0.9.9]
81 Better Cities - House price patch.esp [Version 1.0]
82 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
83 Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
84 ANB_Item_Switchers.esp
85 BlackScreenSneakFix.esp
86 HUD Status Bars.esp [Version 4.1.1]
87 FewerOBGatesNOCLOSE.esp
88 Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp [Version 1.2]
89 P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]
** PyFFI-Optimized Vanilla Meshes Patch.esp
8A Enhanced Vegetation [110%].esp
8B Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.2.0]
8C Wayshrines Improved.esp
8D Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp [Version 1.0]
8E Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
8F WPHealthRegen.esp [Version 1.0]
90 RealisticHealth.esp
91 Kyoma's Spell Renamer.esp [Version 3.0.1]
92 EnchantmentRestore.esp
93 attack and hide easier v2.1.esp
94 RenGuardOverhaul.esp
95 DRSplatter.esp
96 Duke Patricks - Actors Can Miss Now.esp
97 Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp
98 RealisticLeveling.esp
99 Atmospheric Loading Screens - No Text.esp
9A AMB.esp
9B bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]
9C Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts.esp
9D bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
** bgMagicEV Vwalk.esp
9E bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]
9F bgMagicItemSigil.esp [Version 1.68EV]
A0 bgMagicEVStartspells.esp [Version 1.68EV]
A1 bgMagicBonus.esp [Version 1.7EV]
A2 bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]
A3 bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp [Version 1.68EV]
A4 bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp [Version 1.68UV]
A5 bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp [Version 9.0EV-U]
A6 bgBalancingEVOptionalBetterRedguards.esp
A7 bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp [Version 10.]
** bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp [Version 9.0EV-D]
A8 bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp [Version 10.51EV-D]
A9 bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]
** bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp [Version 10.5EV-D]
AA ArgonianFeets.esp
AB Better Cities Full.esp [Version 4.9.5]
AC Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp [Version 4.7.0]
AD Better Imperial City.esp [Version 4.9.5]
AE Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.9.5]
AF Better Cities - All Natural.esp [Version 4.9.5]
** Better Cities Full Vwalk.esp
B0 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp [Version 4.9.5]
B1 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp [Version 4.8.4]
B2 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp [Version 4.8.1]
B3 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp [Version 4.9.1]
** Better Imperial City Vwalk.esp
B4 Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.9.1]
B5 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2.1]
B6 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp [Version 4.8.1]
B7 MRP - Loading area.esp
B8 Brighter Torches.esp [Version 1.4.0]
B9 BetterExplosions.esp
** bgMagicEVShader.esp [Version 1.7EV]
BA bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp [Version 1.68]
BB MiniMap.esp
BC DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.3]
BD Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:04 pm

Pauses increase as the gamesave size gets larger. Oblivion has been like that since it shipped because saving is not performed as a background process in this game (something Bethesda addressed in Fallout 3). What I mean by that is when you save your game in Oblivion, the game stops everything that it was doing at the time to save and resumes once it is done.

The more mods you have, the more data the game needs to keep track of. The more data the game needs to track, the larger the save file becomes. The larger the save file, the longer it takes for the game to create it.

Ergo, heavy load order (particularly an FCOM setup) = noticeable pauses when saving.

What is the current size of the saves the game is generating? I would estimate around 20Mb or so? Try checking for bloating in Bash.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:26 am

Pauses increase as the gamesave size gets larger. Oblivion has been like that since it shipped because saving is not performed as a background process in this game (something Bethesda addressed in Fallout 3). What I mean by that is when you save your game in Oblivion, the game stops everything that it was doing at the time to save and resumes once it is done.

The more mods you have, the more data the game needs to keep track of. The more data the game needs to track, the larger the save file becomes. The larger the save file, the longer it takes for the game to create it.

Ergo, heavy load order (particularly an FCOM setup) = noticeable pauses when saving.

What is the current size of the saves the game is generating? I would estimate around 20Mb or so? Try checking for bloating in Bash.

Well, I adjusted my load order, and started a new game and the freeze is gone (as of the 15 minutes I played the new start).

My saves are about 2.5MB.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:45 am

My saves are currently at around ~18 MB. Saves do take a few seconds to register (I have a LO with 254 mods + 120 or so merged mods) on my hardware (i7 930, Intel SSD, Nvidia 480 GTX). I think of it as a minor annoyance really, and am gald to be reminded that another save is performed before a crash makes all my efforts go to waste :brokencomputer:

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:55 am

Well, I adjusted my load order, and started a new game and the freeze is gone (as of the 15 minutes I played the new start).

My saves are about 2.5MB.

As in 25,000 Kb in Bash? If yes, that's 25 Mb, not 2.5.

As expected, starting a new game made the problem go away, but it will not last. The game is keeping track of a huge amount of data in those saves, and they get bigger and bigger and bigger the longer you play because of all the new data that is constantly needing to be added to them (persistent reference locations, actor locations, item locations, spawn locations, flora harvests, global variables, GMST settings, the list goes on and on and on). Do not expect a new game to permanently fix this, it will always come back unless you axe half your load order. It's not even a major problem, so my recommendation is simply to ignore it.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:50 am

As in 25,000 Kb in Bash? If yes, that's 25 Mb, not 2.5.

As expected, starting a new game made the problem go away, but it will not last. The game is keeping track of a huge amount of data in those saves, and they get bigger and bigger and bigger the longer you play because of all the new data that is constantly needing to be added to them (persistent reference locations, actor locations, item locations, spawn locations, flora harvests, global variables, GMST settings, the list goes on and on and on). Do not expect a new game to permanently fix this, it will always come back unless you axe half your load order. It's not even a major problem, so my recommendation is simply to ignore it.

Lol. Not, at the time of that writing, my save size was 2.5MB. But you are right, as I progress further into Oblivion, the save sizes grow, and the pauses return (though at this time there is about a 1 second freeze). Right now, my saves are 2.6MB. They'll grow, especially since I think I am going to add Reneer's Interior Mod to my list, and that mod heavily uses PlaceAtMe.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:03 am

188 mods in my game, largest save is 11MB. The delay in saving is par for the course.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:48 pm

Lol. Not, at the time of that writing, my save size was 2.5MB. But you are right, as I progress further into Oblivion, the save sizes grow, and the pauses return (though at this time there is about a 1 second freeze). Right now, my saves are 2.6MB. They'll grow, especially since I think I am going to add Reneer's Interior Mod to my list, and that mod heavily uses PlaceAtMe.

Expect a lot more than a few second freezes then

. PlaceAtMe is a killer.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:59 pm

Should be noted that the way Reneer is doing it the PlaceAtMe calls are not dangerous.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:09 pm

Yeah, Reneer said that he deletes as many of the references as possible via an OBSE function.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:53 am

Something worth mentioning is, the longer your Respawn Timer is set to, the faster your saves will grow (and the quicker the Save Lag will increase).

Your save records all the data for cells that have not yet respawned, and if you have Respawn set for 10 days, there will be more data saved than if you have Respawn set for 1 day.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:44 am

Something worth mentioning is, the longer your Respawn Timer is set to, the faster your saves will grow (and the quicker the Save Lag will increase).

Your save records all the data for cells that have not yet respawned, and if you have Respawn set for 10 days, there will be more data saved than if you have Respawn set for 1 day.

Cool. Nice tip. I'll reduce my respawn timer.