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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:42 am

I just defined evil... and all those fit it to the letter.

Then, according to your personal, subjective definition of the phenomenon, the Tribunal and the Empire of Uriel VII are also evil. So are the rebels in this story. All Daedra are evil and so are all Aedra, and by thus so would be the Imperial Cult.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:26 am

Then, according to your personal, subjective definition of the phenomenon, the Tribunal and the Empire of Uriel VII are also evil. So are the rebels in this story. All Daedra are evil and so are all Aedra, and by thus so would be the Imperial Cult.


Hence, there are still shades of grey. The Empire, many of the Aedra, the rebels, and Tribunal still respect the lives of their subjects far more than the new "champion", as evidenced by many of their acts.

Though Vehk, Almalexia, and Sotha Sil killed Nerevar in an act of evil, they took the power of the heart to protect the Dunmeri people. Almalexia turned indisputably evil in Tribunal when she put her power and the unity of the temple over the welfare of the people. Vivec accepted the fall of the tribunal, and aided the Nerevarine against Daggoth, despite knowing it would bring down the Tribunal. While the suppression of the Outlanders could be considered evil, most of their policies were benevolent.

I am not entirely sure about all the Aedra, but Stendarr is known to be good because he is about saving lives and protecting the weak against oppressors. Also, the Imperial Cult aids those in need, healing those who come to them, curing the blighted and diseased, and offer shelter and sanctuary to those in need. They also unite communities, and give people reasons to live.

The Empire is very neutral in its rule. It generally suppresses needless wars between the provinces, and offers as many legal protections as it can to the people. However, it sees itself as neccessary to the survival of Tamriel, and offsets its general benevolence with suppression of rights and life in the provinces, as it tries to balance the unity of the empire with the rights of the governed. Remember, Tamriel has earned its nickname as "the Arena", and so was arguably the lesser of two evils. I am not entirely sure how the Amulet of Kings came to be, but without it, the Empire also protected Nirn from a completely disasterous Daedric invasion, from a prince who claims to be merely the embodiment of Destruction, but gleefully infringes on Molag Bal's, Namira's, Mephala's, and Boethiah's territory.

The rebels in this RP are not evil because they are fighting for the right to life and liberty of all subjects, against a force that does not care about the welfare of the overwhelming majority of the population. Though they may engage in atrocities and cause tragic civilian deaths, they understand that the cost the "Champion" wants to impress on society is not worth what benefits the Empire used to offer to the provinces. They see the Empire as completely off-track, conquoring for the sake of conquest, unity for the sake of power of the head of state. The benevolence has been removed, and only the oppression remains.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:06 pm

No, necromancy is evil, regardless of it's intentions. Actions and intentions make evil, one cannot justify the other.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:05 pm

No, necromancy is evil, regardless of it's intentions. Actions and intentions make evil, one cannot justify the other.


Actually, necromancy and evil have a tendency to go hand-in-hand, but not all necromancers are evil, unless...

Necromancy involves the unwilling binding of deceased souls. This is deprivation of liberty even beyond life, and intolerable... However, in the case of the Dunmer, it seems as though the ancestor guardians and some of the sanctioned necromantic practices are done willingly and with the consent of the bound spirit, and are thus not entirely evil. The animation of a corpse may be disrespectful to the dead, but if it does not force an undead spirit into servitude, then it is not inherently evil... just despicable.

Creating bodies from living people just to reanimate them is entirely evil, though...
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:15 pm

Scow2, I offered similar justifications for all the examples that you first characterized as evil so I think that without again making a point of subjectivity this could go on forever. The bottom line is that they're all forces that seek to subject others to the laws of their moralities, whether that be passively or aggressively, and this is a practice that will always come at the expense of lives and liberties. Both the mages and the rebels are guilty in this.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:07 pm

Actually, necromancy and evil have a tendency to go hand-in-hand, but not all necromancers are evil, unless...

Necromancy involves the unwilling binding of deceased souls. This is deprivation of liberty even beyond life, and intolerable... However, in the case of the Dunmer, it seems as though the ancestor guardians and some of the sanctioned necromantic practices are done willingly and with the consent of the bound spirit, and are thus not entirely evil. The animation of a corpse may be disrespectful to the dead, but if it does not force an undead spirit into servitude, then it is not inherently evil... just despicable.

Creating bodies from living people just to reanimate them is entirely evil, though...

OF course, the dunmer also unwillingly resurrect their family's "black sheep," or some other despicable blood relative as undead to guard tombs.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:24 pm

Sorry guys, I've been really busy lately and havn't had much chance to do anything for myself lately with school and homework etc., and I'm afraid it might be getting worse. Right now it doesn't seem like this will be working out for me as the OP, so the question is, do people want me to put it on hold until I can set everything sorted out or does someone who is very eager to get this open like to do it on my behalf? I don't want someone ruining my ideas, though and I want it to be someone I can trust, so if your some random I don't know I'm not likely to let you. I'm thinking of PMing Aulakauss, he'd do a good job I think, or Scow maybe. PM me if your interested.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:28 pm

very original i'd join
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:16 pm

Well, for one pat, good to know your still alive. We were all worried for a sec there :tops:

Second, this RP sounds awesome. It reminds me of the first Rp I did, age of Technology, where the old magic elves were clashing with the human empire, who had technology similar to what we see here. It was an awesome RP.

It would be interesting, what if argonians and the original provinces crushed by the guild were launching guerilla attacks?

But yeah, ill wait on this RP if needed. Im all in man.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:51 pm

Second, this RP sounds awesome. It reminds me of the first Rp I did, age of Technology, where the old magic elves were clashing with the human empire, who had technology similar to what we see here. It was an awesome RP.


Damn, that RP was awesome. At least it could have been if it had lived.

Oh well.

Anyways, this seems interesting having only skimmed it. I'll have to read through it fully.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:31 am

Sorry guys, I've been really busy lately and havn't had much chance to do anything for myself lately with school and homework etc., and I'm afraid it might be getting worse. Right now it doesn't seem like this will be working out for me as the OP, so the question is, do people want me to put it on hold until I can set everything sorted out or does someone who is very eager to get this open like to do it on my behalf? I don't want someone ruining my ideas, though and I want it to be someone I can trust, so if your some random I don't know I'm not likely to let you. I'm thinking of PMing Aulakauss, he'd do a good job I think, or Scow maybe. PM me if your interested.

Bit of a late reply here, but if that's the case I'd like you to put it (keep it?) on hold, that is provided you will actually go through with it at some point.
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