Magic, in Tamriel, is very much like physics.
The natural laws, earthbones, are semi sentient and can be manipulated by magic.
To me, crafting spells was very wizardly. I imagined myself carefully calculating mathemagics to get things just right, and then inscribe a spell I had researched and crafted myself into my own personal grimoire.
Not just that the spell was my very own creation, also that I could name it "Merari's blight" if I so chose, made it very magical to me.
Wizards are brilliant men spent all day over some obscure text, acid stains in their beard from careless potion making, dribbly candles and occult parafernalia strewn about.

The new system seems very intuitive and has flow and style, but its not spellmaking.
I think it will work great though. I very much liked the shock shield idea from the article and started imagining about possibilities.
It certainly sounds like something Im going to enjoy.

So..when you combined a lightning spell *offensive* with a shield spell *defensive* you get a..shield that does damage?
That is simply baller.
I am impressed.

None of this information is new. Giant Bomb's Brad Shoemaker told us all of this this on Monday.

Well just like this one I see.
Doc Magic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IsXqcUlv_g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XK5A1EiFEw
http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23813

Well if we still can create spells in CS there can be large expand of spell combinations, just let us change and create spells in CS with spell effects and scripts.

Only this method of spell creation is completely different from just combining 5 spells into 1 generic blob ....

Its active and dynamic. You do it as you go and it requires you to use your second hand. It has major gameplay implications rather than just spamming the spell-creation with effects and throwing gold at it.

I'm sorry you have no creative imagination and couldn't make better, more interesting spells. I made plenty.

and if you searched the spellmaking threads here in the Skyrim section you'd probably come across my take on Spell creation for Skyrim which is leauges better then spamming the same spells over and over and completely ties in with previous title magic effectts AND how Skyrim is handling Magic, so much so that should this play Out, modding in Spell creation is a relative snap as a concept., its only now that they are trying out spell combos and thats not even apart of the game because as you read in the article he said the anims were off because this wasnt possible to begin with.

This one part caught my attention:



I really have no problem with getting rid of attributes, but I didn't raise INT just for magicka, just like I didn't just increase Strength to up my Fatigue. I raised it to carry more and do more damage. I raised Speed so I could move faster not because it had any effect on Health, Magicka, or Stamina.

Anyway, the part about the illusion/frenzy (?) part seemed interesting if they were able to do it without line of sight. Hope they release more info on how magic works soon.

I didn't just say that magic was okay without spellmaking in Skyrim, I said that it would be okay due to the fact that you could use two spells at the same time. Now, if those spells actually interact with each other and have secondary effects if we use them at the same time, that's even better.

Before fighting, a mage would have to do research and test different combinations in order to make sure you didn't hurt themselves. There could actually be a little research that the player had to do, instead if imagining them doing research as they combine spells with a menu.

Also, asking for spellmaking + spell combinations sounds undoutabily the most selfish thing I've ever heard. How many combinations would have to be coded in? What would a Heart Attack Spell look like when combined with a C4 spell? How could such a system even be configured? Menu's? Real time? You can call my opinion bogus all you want, but without an explantion of how such a magic system would even be possible I really don't think it could be done.

The game would have to be completely focused on magic, that's for sure. And that's only the start of it.

I for one, would much rather have a spell system where you really have to do some trial and error. Do some real research and discover which spells work best with other ones. Which combinations would not be a good idea to combine. Maybe holding the fire spell down cast a flamethrower, but then just tapping the ice spell to send and ice ball at the enemy will cause the ice to flash to steam and explode in your face. But holding both down equally will create a water jet. Maybe holding the ice spell down and just tapping the fire spell could just weaken the ice spell.

And then things like restoration and destruction would damage the player no matter the combination they are used in. Just so long as there is some real research involved. Maybe rare tomes could contain a perk that would allow unique combinations that usually would just explode in your face. We'll have to wait and see if it makes it in game. At any rate though, anything is better than a menu.

The creation system in Oblivion wasn't really that unique Orzorn. I mean, sure, you could add or combined spells. But it was just like a spreadsheet, a metaphor used often by Todd himself.
At the end of the day, combining the spell effects of Oblivion was lackluster. Add this, take this out. Nothing "exciting" about that I don't think. It was pretty bland to be honest.
You could make mega spells, but those spells were so high in magicka cost that you could only cast them once. That's not very fun to me.

Well in-game created spells has certain limits, but in CS you can achieve true Creation by assembling spell effects and scripts many really interesting spells thats really didn't looks like spreadsheets, but there is must be large variation in spell effects and ability to change many variables and hardcoded functions with spells, even new FX can be added to make spells truly unique.
But we see, from game to game number of spell effects become reduced, schools deleted, more features become hardcoded without ability to change them,
such changes greatly reduce variability for modding.

I fear thats Skyrim become so static, with certain limited basic level of uniqueness without ability expand it more.

i was in favor of spell combinations back then too (meaning simultaneous effects, such as shield and resist magic in the same spell.) what they're describing now goes well beyond this, and i am pleased.

why do threads about spells always die young?

Today is a happy day indeed. I can't wait to combine spells!

Spell Combinations = 10/10 unless they're imba. :foodndrink:

Imagine if spells could be combined http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVsfwDWuDAI.


(No I'm not actually expecting it to that amount of detail)

even if it's not that detailed, we may end up with thousands of meaningful, varied spell combinations.

Why r u guys still in this thread????
I clicked on this thinking it was new info only to realize it was my own f---ing thread from a week ago...Why is this on the 1st page?

Yeah I read the article and it has me pretty excited, because the mage is my favorite style to play.

Yeah. Shoulda linked the Morrowind versions instead:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Fire_Shield "...Secondly, enemies next to the casting character will be damaged at 1 point elemental damage per 10 points spell strength."

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Frost_Shield "...Secondly, enemies next to the casting character will be damaged at 1 point elemental damage per 10 points spell strength."

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Lightning_Shield "...Secondly, enemies next to the casting character will be damaged at 1 point elemental damage per 10 points spell strength."

:meh:

The Duel Weild magic system with combos reminds me a bit of Magika.

at first I was like:

but then I:
:rock:

Even if Bethesda ends up not doing much with this, it would be great if the option to mess with this kind of stuff in the construction set would be there.