Will You Feel Cheated?

Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:57 am

What if Dragons have nothing to do with Akatosh, and have nothing to do with the Dragons we know?
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Just a friendly piece of paranoia. :)

Its just that, paranoia. We have already been told that they herald the coming of and serve Alduin, that there are special ones known as Jills, and that they speak both in shouts and in the common tongue. Everything we know about dragons from lore has been covered, so I would say this is a moot poll.

If, on the off chance that they do make the dragons nothing but fire-breathing boss monsters, yes, I'll be peeved.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:38 am

Just to clarify:

I know how Dragons are implemented in the lore. My fear is they will be, as Lady N stated, "nothing but fire-breathing boss monsters", which could be ok with ties to Akatosh/Alduin, but terrible otherwise.

And is there confirmation that Dragons talk in Skyrim? I'm pretty sure all there is is speculation about it's fire breath being Thu'um.


I'm also fully aware that this is probably mere paranoia. Hence the statement in the op. ;)
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Post » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:39 pm

Akatosh is not Alduin, why would Akatosh save the world from Mehrunes Dagon in Oblivion? So he could have a snack 200 years later?
I don't understand, how you can say the dragons are "mere creatures" They fly around wreaking Havoc on cities and towns. They have the ability to use Tongues/Dragon Shouts. They are here because of Alduins return(Another thing that separates Alduin and Akatosh, Alduins gone and is coming back). And when you kill them you absorb their souls, without soul trap or soul gems.

I know that the gameplay mechanics make them as random spawns, but thats for fun.

Actually, they are the same. Akatosh (Alduin to the Nords) was bound to Nirn. The defeat of Dagon gave him an opportunity to free himself, at the cost of the world. So, yes, he would. Everyone has an agenda, even gods.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:09 pm

Actually, look up your lore. Akatosh and Alduin are two names for the same god. The god of time, creation, and destruction. Every so often, he "devours" the world and creates another one to take its place.
Actually, they are the same. Akatosh (Alduin to the Nords) was bound to Nirn. The defeat of Dagon gave him an opportunity to free himself, at the cost of the world. So, yes, he would. Everyone has an agenda, even gods.

You both just made this up. Not the part about Akatosh = Alduin, but the parts after.
Nirn was created first and it never states that Akatosh(or Alduin) destroyed Nirn at any point before.
Akatoshes avatar was summoned, not Akatosh himself. The Aedra are not the ones with Agendas, that is the Daedra.

Akatosh embodies the qualities of endurance, invincibility, and everlasting legitimacy.
Alduin is cited as being the creator and destroyer in the Nordic pantheon. Lacking in the traits of endurance, invincibility, and everlasting legitimacy.
So maybe, the Nords were mistaken in confusing Akatosh with Alduin. Maybe Alduin is Akatoshes
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:38 am

I voted yes, they need to have some cool reason why the Dragons have returned. If it's just: "Oh look, the dragons are attacking because it's a fantasy world where dragons are fierce enemies." than I won't feel 'cheated,' but disappointed.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:13 am

After watching the trailers for the ten millionth time, I began to think. What if Dragons are just creatures? I mean, we've been told they're handled as creatures, in the game engine, but I'm talking about the actual game lore.

What if Dragons have nothing to do with Akatosh, and have nothing to do with the Dragons we know?

I fear they're going to be drastically cheapened. My major beef with Dragons appearing as a standard creature is how Bethesda have mocked dragons in the past, with M'aiq. They've clearly stated how they're avoiding that cliché. While personally, I have no problem with clichés, I really wouldn't like to have Bethesda contradict thier own lore like this.

I vote yes.

Just a friendly piece of paranoia. :)

EDIT: This isn't speculating whether or not they're going to be so, just acculumating the thoughts of the forums on the matter of contradicting the lore.


Thats a trick question because the info we got is the complete opposite.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:44 am

Nah.

And for the record how could they not be tied to Alduin?
Ok lemmi rephrase to avoid smart-ass comments about "Well they could just..not be tied to Alduin. Hurr hurr."
What possible reason would the devs have for not having them be connected? Alduin is like..the dragon of dragons or what have you. The king of dragons and what not. And dragons just became "unextinct". And you're Dovhakiin. Coincidence? I think not. =P
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:19 am

I just hope Dragons will not fall down with two hits. They have to be challenging even to high level players. And not as common as Cliff Racers. :P
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:07 am

You both just made this up. Not the part about Akatosh = Alduin, but the parts after.Nirn was created first and it never states that Akatosh(or Alduin) destroyed Nirn at any point before.Akatoshes avatar was summoned, not Akatosh himself. The Aedra are not the ones with Agendas, that is the Daedra.Akatosh embodies the qualities of endurance, invincibility, and everlasting legitimacy.Alduin is cited as being the creator and destroyer in the Nordic pantheon. Lacking in the traits of endurance, invincibility, and everlasting legitimacy.So maybe, the Nords were mistaken in confusing Akatosh with Alduin. Maybe Alduin is Akatoshes


Fun fact: The Nords were never confusing Akatosh with Alduin. Akatosh didn't even exist when Alduin was first conceived - he was a political move later legitimized (possibly) by the Marukhati. That's it. Akatosh was just Alessia making allowances to both her former slave brethren who still followed the merish gods, and their saviours the Nords who decidedly did not like anything to do with the mer.

That Akatosh became a facet of the overall God of Time was a product of the unique nature of Nirn's universe. Enough people believed Akatosh was the Aedra of time that Akatosh became the Aedra of time. And in all likelihood, when the physical form of his pact with Man was destroyed (the Amulet of Kings), Akatosh ceased to be an important or controlling facet of the God of Time - the original forms, Alduin and Auri-El (which are the same thing looked at from two different directions) were now free to make their own moves.

EDIT: Just to clarify, that last sentence (And in all likelihood...) is speculation, but the rest is canon lore.
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Post » Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:17 pm

How could I ever feel cheated in an TES game?
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:58 am

dragons are and always will be, awesome! :flamethrower:
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:37 am

The Aedra are not the ones with Agendas, that is the Daedra.

I dunno, I think you got it wrong. The main agenda for most Aedras are survival (some plotting to return to their better states before creation of Nirn, though at this point this is just speculation).

As for the majority of the Daedric Lords? They be trollin'.

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@Hircine: Well, I see what you mean now. Of course I will feel cheated if that is the case, so I voted "Yes". But will that likely to happen? Nah, don't think so.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:25 am

I am not worried about it because from what I have seen dragons are going to be creatures and characters...There will be times where you are roaming around and oh crap dragon fight...then there will be times where you have to go talk to somebody for information and behold that somebody is a towering scale covered dragon...
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:30 am

You both just made this up. Not the part about Akatosh = Alduin, but the parts after.
Nirn was created first and it never states that Akatosh(or Alduin) destroyed Nirn at any point before.
Akatoshes avatar was summoned, not Akatosh himself. The Aedra are not the ones with Agendas, that is the Daedra.

Akatosh embodies the qualities of endurance, invincibility, and everlasting legitimacy.
Alduin is cited as being the creator and destroyer in the Nordic pantheon. Lacking in the traits of endurance, invincibility, and everlasting legitimacy.
So maybe, the Nords were mistaken in confusing Akatosh with Alduin. Maybe Alduin is Akatoshes

Lorkhan... say that again...
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